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Postby Danimal » Fri Feb 17, 2006 11:36 pm

This is all about the flavor of the week. Who will be next, is a more interesting question.
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Postby Freebird27 » Sat Feb 18, 2006 2:15 am

Broncmet724 wrote:I'd take Hermida 6 days a week and twice on Sunday


Kind of a leap without him proving anything in the big show

two different types of players

Francour will be a good power hitter with decent avg for years
Hermida (if he comes through on the hype) will be a 5 tooler but not really dominate in any cat...20-20 good avg?
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Postby wkelly91 » Sat Feb 18, 2006 10:29 am

Franceaur tore up the league the first time through, is an extremly aggresive hitter, drew virtually no walks. Then second time through everyone adjusted, his homeruns dried up, and his average plummited. Until he gets plate discipline he will be a .270-20 hitter. I do think he can overcome it though and become a Miggy Cabrera type hitter.

Hermidas stats indicate a much more patient hitter and thus for the future a better choice. Next year though? :-?
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Postby Dan Charette » Sat Feb 18, 2006 10:48 am

I would take a chance with Hermida. He didn't have as many ab's and could falter. But Francoeur has already faltered in my opinion.
If you look at Francoeur's stats from Aug 28 till the end of the season, this is what you will find.
27 for 112 for a whopping 241 ba with 4 hr's and 28 k's . :-t

I think the pitchers found his weaknesses. I wouldn't even consider drafting him . Especially if your league factors in k's .
Hermida has great plate discipline and I don't think he could ever show a bad stretch of 112 ab's as Francoeur did.
Hermida is my pick.

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Postby AcidRock23 » Sat Feb 18, 2006 11:14 am

The other thing about Hermida is that the Fish just unloaded Pierre, for which the mainstream baseball press has excoriated them (the WORST team in the power rankings on ESPN?? in the same sport as KCR? :-? )

I'm thinking that they figure that Herida is ready and will produce at the same level at 1/6 the cost so Herida could be slotted in for a similar # of R to Pierre, w/ some more pop in his bat to boot. I think the Marlins are going into the season grossly underrated, at least in the big picture, and that the key guy will be Herida w/ MCab knocking him in, maintaining a reasonably consistent production.

Although, looking at Hermida's game log (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7492) it seems as if his production was extremely concentrated into 4 G :-?
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Postby looptid » Sat Feb 18, 2006 11:23 am

Freebird27 wrote:
Broncmet724 wrote:I'd take Hermida 6 days a week and twice on Sunday


Kind of a leap without him proving anything in the big show

two different types of players

Francour will be a good power hitter with decent avg for years
Hermida (if he comes through on the hype) will be a 5 tooler but not really dominate in any cat...20-20 good avg?

.293/.383/.634 during Herm's 23 game stint in the majors. The sample size is way too small, and there is no way he averages more than a homer per 12 plate appearances, but he didn't look overmached or green last September.

Every player is different, but Francoeur not drawing any walks scares me.

Francoeur's OPS by Month
July - 1.362, 46 AB
August - .878, 109 AB
September - .739, 93 AB

I think the risk on both players is about even. Francoeur doesn't get any edge because he played in the majors more last season as he didn't make adjustments at the plate as the season went on. Hermida will face the same problem Fancoeur did facing teams and pitchers the second time around once advanced scouts have had the chance to pick at his game, but given his plate discipline is way beyond Francoeur's, I'll lay my money of Hermida.
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Postby Yoda » Sat Feb 18, 2006 11:24 am

AcidRock23 wrote:The other thing about Hermida is that the Fish just unloaded Pierre, for which the mainstream baseball press has excoriated them (the WORST team in the power rankings on ESPN?? in the same sport as KCR? :-? )

I'm thinking that they figure that Herida is ready and will produce at the same level at 1/6 the cost so Herida could be slotted in for a similar # of R to Pierre, w/ some more pop in his bat to boot. I think the Marlins are going into the season grossly underrated, at least in the big picture, and that the key guy will be Herida w/ MCab knocking him in, maintaining a reasonably consistent production.

Although, looking at Hermida's game log (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7492) it seems as if his production was extremely concentrated into 4 G :-?


To Hermida's credit, he only started about 8 games. It's tough to get into a groove when you are spot starting. Given the chance and seeing how the Marlins dealt with their past prospects, Hermida is more than ready to produce right now.
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Postby beltrans_boy » Sat Feb 18, 2006 1:04 pm

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;-D I love this guy...he's definitely a major league talent.
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Postby hybrid » Sat Feb 18, 2006 1:54 pm

I'd rather have Hermida on my keeper team. He is a much safer prospect cause he is already a complete package, he understands the game. Not to mention he still has upside and potential, so he is a rare commodity. Francoeur is much more of a raw prospect compared to Hermida. He has the potential to be more of a power threat in the future, but that's about the only area I can see him over taking Hermida in.
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Postby with_pleasure » Mon Feb 20, 2006 3:38 pm

I hope these Hermida projections come true. After grabbing Abreu with my first pick I didn't take another OF until Round 12. Francoeur went in 13, and I took Hermida in 17. He's buried in the Yahoo rankings.
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