HOOTIE wrote:GotowarMissAgnes wrote:I'd say Marquis, Chen, Suppan, Santana, Verlander, Maholm, are on that border.
The rest would be a stretch at that level.
You say Washburns lack of K's, coupled with his DIPS era scare you. Yet you like Suppan, Chen, Marquis?
Marquis had a worse DOM rate then Washburn, a lucky 27% hit rate %, and a worse DIPS era of 5.12.
Suppans DOM rate was only a hair better, with a lucky strand rate, and a worse DIPS era of 4.66.
Chen had a lucky 27% hit rate, and a worse DIPS era of 5.03.
I like Washburn from that group.
I don't disagree that all of them are on the high side ERA wise. Washburn, however, also had an extraordinarily high strand rate and low HR per FB rate. DIPS is a little misleading in this case, and I would expect Washburn to end up being the worst of the 4.
Chen and Marquis typically have much better K rates than Washburn.
Suppan and Marquis are on a 90 win team, while Washburn is on a 70 win team.
And while Chen, Marquis, and Suppan have had their ups and downs, Washburn is about to enter his 4th straight year with worsening K/BB.