GotowarMissAgnes wrote:The Cow wrote: I don't know too many of these guys
"Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt"
"Ignorance, like a false tooth, is easier to detect when the mouth is open."
As has been pointed out, no one ever claimed that Marte was a # 5 prospect. (although he was rated #5 or better by many organizations in 2005).
If you are going to discuss prospects, then I suggest you learn a little bit more than Felix Hernandez before you start to spout off at the mouth.
Yes, Marte's ranking is falling slightly so far this year, but it's not like he's plummeting. Last year, his average ranking was a 6.4. In the two comparable rankings this year, he's fallen from 6 to 16 spots (13th to 29th in one and 7th to 13th in the other). If the other rankings come in like that, he'll probably be rated somewhere from 10th to 30th by most.
But, of course, this discussion has never been about where he ranks, except according to you. The discussion has been what he is worth in trade. And, you've yet to provide any convincing evidence that he's worth less than a more costly player who is a worse fielder and hitter.
My whole point when I said "I don't know too many of these guys" is that I doubt many of the members of this cafe or baseball fans in general know who these guys are. The reason I/we/they don't know who they are is that they are not big names. You see Marte is a big name prospect, not a top prospect, but a big name prospect.
My reasoning for bringing up his ranking is to show that he does not have near the trade value that you think he has. What did the Braves get for him? Renteria an overpaid, below average SS in terms of offense and defense. Now would I trade Crisp for Renteria no way! Isn't Renteria making 10 mil a year? For what? If Marte's trade value was so high the Braves could have gotten a better SS for him. But the reason the Braves were only able to land Renteria is that Marte's trade value is lower than you think. The reason Marte's trade value is lower than you think is simple he just isn't as good as you think he is. If you want to defend Renteria and claim him to be a great SS feel free, I could use a good laugh. How many fantasy owners have been burned by Renteria of late?
The Braves are a smart organization they know what they are doing. If the Braves thought all they could get for Marte was Renteria well what does that say about Marte? It tells me that the Braves did not think much of Marte. It tells me the Braves thought we had better get something for Marte before people realize that he is not anywhere near the talent they think he is. better deal Marte before his value is zilch.