mweir145 wrote:bigken117 wrote:mweir145 wrote:bigken, it is in my opinion that Toronto has to spend like Boston and the Yankees in order to compete with them, and that is what they appear to finally be doing (although they are still far, far behind each of them).
Halladay makes something like 12.5 million, I believe next year.
It jumps up about 2 million from last year, I think.
I would have agreed with that 2 or 3 years ago, but considering how the Yankees wild spending hasn't gotten them anything in 5 years, and the Sox had a disappointing season defending while (I believe) adding payroll, has every team, them included, rethinking how they throw money around. Watching teams like Minny, Oakland and Cleveland is going to be the model. Not that they won't outspend everyone, they will, but I don't think other teams will have to throw an exorbanant amount of money at a guy to keep the Sox and Yanks at bay.
Anyways, it sort of seems like desperation on the part of JP following a season which fell well below expectations. I think the Jays woul have been better served saving some of that cache cash for next winter as well, and throwing $2 mil more per at Zito.
You would agree that the Jays have gotten better by virtue of these FA signings right? If the Jays just sat back and did nothing this off-season, there is virtually no chance that they would catch up to the Yankees and Red Sox this year. That is the ultimate goal (contending in the AL East), and it starts this year with these signings.
I'm also not exactly sure what you mean when you say the Jays fell far short of expectations last year. They finished 13 games better than they did the year before, and were in the Wild-Card race for over half the season, and even into the end of August without their ace, and the arguably the best pitcher in the AL, Roy Halladay. This wasn't anything close to a desperation move by J.P. They had targeted Burnett since the beginning of last season, and there were rumours that he almost decided to trade for him at the trade deadline last season. I'm also not sure why this is seen as an obscene amount of money. Has anybody seen what the other pitchers are signing for lately? What the Jays signed Burnett at was clearly market value, and is in my opinion, a great deal for them.
As for Zito, well I'm really not sure why everybody thinks he's so good, he shouldn't be worth anymore than A.J is, he's had two straight subpar seasons in a row. If the Jays waited for Zito, they would also be virtually giving up this season (not quite, but their chances of contending would decrease), and this is supposedly one of their "contention" years.
The Jays really had no other choice but to spend this available money if they wanted to contend. Though they still are not anywhere close to what the Red Sox and Yankees are in payroll, they are as close as they've been in a long time.
I thought I heard that this season was considered a disappointment compared to the expectations they had Forgive if it wasn't, but I recall watching Sox games and ESPN mentioning it. Not disappointing the Philly Eagles this season expected to repeat in the NFC, but higher hopes, hanging around longer, 85+ wins etc. I'll grant the loss of Doc hurts, but every team has to deal with injuries. Heck, Schil stunk so bad when he played I thought he'd be better off not trying to be a hero.
From a Sox perspective, I like the Ryan signing, or should I say I don't like it? I wasn't exactly scared of Batista. But Burnett's ~11 mil next season will make him (using 05 figures and factoring in raises) the 13th highest paid pitcher in baseball. I'm quite sure that he isn't even arguably the 13th best pitcher. And consider some of the guys ahead of him include Park, Hampton, and Dreifort. I think because he was the best of a thin market, JP felt the need to make the biggest splash with all the money they had laying around. I like Burnett from a fantasy standpoint, but I wouldn't want the Sox throwing $11 mil at him.
It's only my .02 cents. You guys should be a much better team this season, but unless Halladay is on the mound, it won't be one I'm worried about catching up.
On another note, I know there's a thread somewhere, but I really like the Overbay trade for you guys. I think he'll be a good fit.