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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:41 am
by davidmarver
And this, my friends, is why Chase Utley has been my #1 2b this offseason.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:42 am
by Pedantic
BronXBombers51 wrote:
dyuen87 wrote:Soriano's rbi range will be in the 70-80 range. Can the Nationals lineup be worse next year than it was this year? Jose Guillen hit 76 rbis last year. You throw in Zimmerman into that lineup, and can Nick Johnson spend anymore time on the DL next year than this year? he'll get his rbis.


This trade may have been crap for fantasy purposes but Soriano will help the Nats greatly offensively I think. It's not like he has nobody around him, Guillen is a very good hitter and Johnson is coming into his own nicely. A healthy Vidro won't hurt either.

I'd say he gets at least 70-80 RBIs, if not more. His numbers will surely take a hit going to Washington, but I think some people are slightly overplaying it. Regardless, a .270-20-80-20 stat line is still good enough to be a top 3 2nd baseman IMO.


Offensively, a healthy Wilkerson would have far surpassed any contribution Soriano might make. :-/

PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:44 am
by TheYanks04
NJ stay healthy?...come on. The man has never been healthy for more than a few months at a stretch in his entire professional career. The man defines brittle.

Vidro is always getting hurt too.



The pitcher hits 9th, Guzman 8th (like a pitcher).

Church, Sneider, Zimmerman to go with Guillen make out the rest of the lineup with Soriano.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 2:52 am
by wrveres
I'll give a shot a 20/20 maybe even 25/25 but no way he goes 30/30 ..
he still has value, but sure took a big hit today.
I have him in my keeper for 44.00 and was thinking about hanging on to him. I most certainly won't now.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 2:58 am
by Madison
TheYanks04 wrote:NJ stay healthy?...come on.


Agreed. Nick will never stay healthy. I posted an article about his weak wrists two years ago (might have been last year, but I'm pretty sure it was two years ago) and how the doctors say he will fight wrist injuries his entire career. So for Nick to stay healthy for a whole season, is very unlikely.


As to Sori projections, it's possible he steals 35 or maybe 40, but I'd say his fantasy value takes a pretty big hit. I have a feeling he will be drafted much higher than I'd be willing to take him though. :-°

PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 3:00 am
by mamorris
Pedantic wrote:
BronXBombers51 wrote:
dyuen87 wrote:Soriano's rbi range will be in the 70-80 range. Can the Nationals lineup be worse next year than it was this year? Jose Guillen hit 76 rbis last year. You throw in Zimmerman into that lineup, and can Nick Johnson spend anymore time on the DL next year than this year? he'll get his rbis.


This trade may have been crap for fantasy purposes but Soriano will help the Nats greatly offensively I think. It's not like he has nobody around him, Guillen is a very good hitter and Johnson is coming into his own nicely. A healthy Vidro won't hurt either.

I'd say he gets at least 70-80 RBIs, if not more. His numbers will surely take a hit going to Washington, but I think some people are slightly overplaying it. Regardless, a .270-20-80-20 stat line is still good enough to be a top 3 2nd baseman IMO.


Offensively, a healthy Wilkerson would have far surpassed any contribution Soriano might make. :-/


Agreed. I believe Wilkerson had 23 win shares to Soriano's 16 last year. That's a pretty big difference right there.

As for Soriano, well I was one of those who thought he was still worthy of mid-first-round status, but not any more. That's probably a $10 hit in value depending on your league settings. Ouch.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 8:38 am
by converge241
guesses on what the lineup would look like? (barring player changes of course)

PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 11:04 am
by Niffoc4
C Schneider
1B Johnson
2B Vidro
SS Guzman
3B Zimmerman
RF Guillen
CF Church
LF Soriano

1. Soriano
2. Vidro
3. Guillen
4. Johnson
5. Zimmerman
6. Church
7. Schneider
8. Guzman

Totally a guess, but most of what I have seen has Soriano leading off... His RBIs could really take a hit with the two hitters in front of him being the pitcher and Cristian Guzman. Everything will probably go down with the switch to the NL and going froma major hitters park to a major pitchers park.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 11:07 am
by Yoda
Hmmm... looks like Soriano might be a bargain next year.