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Giambi and Mussina weren't signed for market prices.stevelabny wrote:So will this make everyone remember that while the Yankees of the past 10 years have paid market price to stars, and paid extra for their own world series winning players, they are not the insane ones who continue to jump the market every few years.
HOOTIE wrote:Is it me, or is this the worst signings you have ever seen? Sure there is no 100 mil deal, but tons of guys are getting too many years, at too much per year. Yea i know if the market bears it, then some will say it's worth it. But i don't think i see one deal that will work out over the duration. No closer is worth 9 mil a year. None. A .500 pitcher who rarely throws 200 innings gets 5 years 55 mil? This is pure insanity. In 2 years most these teams will be trying to get out of the deals via trade. The fans might be excited, but they likely won't in a year or two. The teams not signing are better off. Look at past history.
And i could find plenty more.
HOOTIE wrote:Mookie, i knew you would reply.
I mentioned Burnetts record because career wise, it has relevance. Burnett is a .495 career pitcher. Florida was .473 while he was there. So he was .22 over his team. Not bad, but is that worth 5 years/55 mil? Imo, no pitcher should get 5 years. It's not like AJ is a workhorse. Only 2 years of of hitting 175 innings. Career era+ of 110. Career splits of
Home 3.20 era
Road 4.26 era
Home 1.18 whip
Road 1.38 whip
Doesn't the career road era make you wonder?
As far as Ryan/Wagner, no closer is worth 9 mil a year, much less 5 years. I'm not cracking on these guys, as they are good . I'm debating the years, $ end of it.
Sure some FA signings work out. The law of averages. You mention Wetteland. He was traded to the NYY in 95, got his ring in 96, then became a FA. Sheffield was traded to Marlins in 93, and he won there in 97.
Maddux was a established HOF stud. Sheffield is a position player with near HOF numbers. Molitor is in HOF, Winfield close. These were all established stars when signed . And except for Maddux, were position players, which are less risky. AJ and Ryan don't have near the track record of those success stories. Looking at years, Molitor signed for 3 years. Winfield 2 years. How many 5 year deals work out? Jeter and Arod sure, but they are HOF talent, and neither has a ring after signing.
I'm glad your excited. Maybe it will work out. But if i was JP, i would be sweating every minute.
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