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Don't put faith into what the Tigers say. Look for yourself and see that there are indeed some bright spots out there and they aren't the come out of nowhere fluke types like Kapler, Fick, and Cornejo. These are guys with successful histories and there has not (at least in a long time) been players to actually make it so high in the system with potential like Verlander, Zumaya, and even Granderson. The minor league system looks to be headed in the right direction and they seem to be doing a better job of not wearing out their young pitchers into the ground, ala Kenny Baugh and Nate Cornejo. What they did to those guys was just plain wrong. A good sign is that they successfully reworked the mechanics of both Verlander and Zumaya this past season and had very good results. Matt Wheatland and probably a couple of others could have used that kind of attention, but the organization was clueless at the time and pitching injuries were the norm back in those days leading many to believe that the cause wasn't just bad luck, but maybe poor handling/development of pitchers. We certainly need another year or two as proof, but it does appear the dirty work of Randy Smith is finally about gone.moochman wrote:I can't put any faith in what the Tigers say about their minor league system. They can't tell the truth because is would cost them their jobs. Remember Randy Smith boasted so much about the minors that even Baseball America bought into the hype. Then nothing happened. All these wonderful players never materialized.
Josh Beckett has been an injury mess most of his career and has never managed 30 starts or 200 innings in a season. Yes, he is definitely good, but is he worth the risk and he comes along with Lowell's awful contract. Also, I'm guessing the unnamed minor leaguer had to be somebody of high value considering what Boston gave up for him (Hanley Ramirez and Anibal Sanchez). You can really go either way on this one as to whether or not rejecting the trade was a bad move, but we won't really know for a couple of years once we see if Verlander is really as good as many believe him to be and if Beckett can ever manage to be durable. I also heard that Florida was getting rejected left and right with it's offers involving Beckett and Lowell, so if this is true, the Tigers probably aren't alone.moochman wrote:Now I hear that DD was offered Beckett and Lowell for Verlander and an unnamed player. He told them no way do they consider trading Verlander. That is crazy. Why wouldn't you want a proven pitcher and very solid defense third bagger for an unproven pitcher and whatever mediocre crap you can give them? Becuase you are too busy trying to save you neck. I think DD has hung his rep on Verlander being the proof that he has turned around the minors and is willing to let the big league club suffer for it. Now how messed up is that? It just doesn't make sense.
Lets look at the biggest fact of all: Before 1992, the Tigers often had many more winning seasons than losing ones. In fact winning seasons were practically the norm. Since then, the team has seen only one winning season, and that was early on in the new era, more specifically 1993. What is this new era? The Ilitch owned era. You can blame DD or Randy Smith or whomever, but what is the only common link between all the losing? The owner.moochman wrote:mcqfesijiba, I am having a hard time with the idea of Illitch's invovlement with the team. By Meddling are you referring to the additions of Pudge and Maggs? I think that if DD were opposed to those moves he would have gladly have stepped down and found a less downtrodden organization to work for. Remember that Illitch wanted to resign Rondell White? That didn't happen, so I think that DD must be running the show.
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