Yoda wrote:This is a worthless argument. I can't possible argue with people who would rather take Wagner and Ryan over Hoffman.
Hoffman at 38, versus Wagner now. Wagner is better. You would rather have a 3 era guy to a 1.5 era guy? I know, you only care about saves, which is a very misleading stat. But if we check the last 3, 4, or 5 years, Wagner has more. I know Hoffman missed 03, but people are saying Wagner is brittle, while Hoffman is out there every day. The brittle Wagner throws 75,77 innings, to Hoffmans 55-60. Wagner crushed Hoffman this yeat in win shares, as in era, K/9, avg against, etc. But Hoffman at THIS point in time is better?
what are you talking about Hootie ?
Hoffman had more saves than Wagner this year ... Last year ... and every single year that the two have been closers ... what a joke.
You pick the one year that Hoffman misses a season and turn around and say that Wagner has more saves .. ?
Talk about using using selective stats ..
how about this
in their entire careers ... Billy Injured Wagner has never saved more games than Trevor Hoffman in ANY given season ... Not one.
as matter of fact Billy has only one season where he saved more than 40 games. Trevor did that feat this year, and last year .. as a matter of fact, it is a feat he has completed 7 times in his career.
this arguement is getting real old ..
I realize that most of you don't know what goes on West of the Misssippi, but Billy Wagner is, was, and will never be the closer Hoffman is