blankman wrote:BronXBombers51 wrote:blankman wrote:RocketsDWM wrote:Didnt Cashman develop the farm system that included Rivera and Jeter - the building blocks of the Yanks? Not sure but I thought I heard that somewhere.
No. He wasn't the GM then. It was Gene Michael who drafted Jeter etc.
Stick Michael (the guy that should be GM), Showalter, the scouts and a group of others were responsible for those players and are often given the credit for the dynasty, not Cashman.
I can't say I'm happy about this. I'm not pissed off, but I'm not sure what to think.
Cashman was, however, the guy who brought in David Wells (the first time, when he was an absolute beast) Chuck Knoblauch, Scott Brosius, Roger Clemens, Alfonso Soriano, David Justice, etc.
All moves which were vital to the Yankee dynasty. When the Yankees blew it in 2001, the front office lost credibility with Steinbrenner, and he turned into the old George. That is why this team has been run so differently. That's why Cashman and Torre and Michael have no say. That's why the show is run by morons like Emslie, Oppenheimer and Connors.
Yes, but he also brought in all that trash Yanks04 listed. You picked out 7 or so good moves, to the 30+ awful ones. He gave away Brazoban in the Weaver/Brown deal to add to that list Yanks made. As far as I know, he also told George no when George wanted Ortiz a few years ago.
We both know that its obvious that there are bigger problems in the leadership of the team than him, but I just don't see how Cashman has done enough to warrant having a job no less a big extension.
I sure hope I'm wrong and he finally, after several years of utter trash, fixes the bullpen and the rotation. The job he's done there has been abysmal.
You do not know that he brought in all of that trash. I've read that he hasn't even been consulted on some deals (like the Tony Womack one for instance.) Cashman has lost nearly all power since 2001. He doesn't get any credit when he makes a good move (Chacon) because some moron like Randy Levine claims credit for it. He gets all the blame though when things go wrong.
Cashman was a fine GM during the championship years. You don't become a moron overnight. He lost his say in the organization because George is irrational and was pissed after they lost in 2001. He went out and signed David Wells back by himself without consulting anyone. He wanted Sheffield while Cashman desperately argued to get Vlad. Cashman pulled off the A-Rod deal almost by himself. Cashman made alot of good deals when he had power.
To blame him for everything that has happened since 2001 is ridiculous. Read about what has happened since then. Go pick up "The Last Night of the Yankee Dynasty," or read the NY papers. It's common knowledge that Cash has not been responsible for the terrible moves the Yankees have made. He has taken the public hit though, because he is technically the GM.