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Kazmir v. Bonderman

PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 12:45 am
by sisyphus
Who is better for both next year and into the future?

PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 12:56 am
by PlayingWithFire
Bonderman is so damn inconsistent :-/

PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 2:19 am
by Half Massed
I'd watch the TB situation closely. If some good management is brought in, well we already know Tampa has the offense... If Kazmir can cut down on his walks, he'll take off next year, however I think Bondo might have the better raw stuff and I expect him to take another step this next year as well. It really could go either way. You can probably get Kazmir for cheaper in a nonkeeper draft though, so I'd go with him.

PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 2:36 am
by WittyC
I'd also watch to see whether or not Detroit ends up hiring Larry Rothchild from Chicago. He ran the good, young arms flat over there, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him do the same to Bondy.

PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 4:27 am
by 1337_Dude
With the talks of the owners wanting to spend some money on Tampa to get some outside talent. I would have to say Kazmir. He put it all together after the All-Star break and was just nasty. 7-2 with 92 K's and a sub 3.00 ERA. The only alarming thing is the walks give up (100) and I think he can cut down on those and become the Stud he was said to be coming out of the minors.

PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 8:34 am
by hybrid
I like both guys quite a bit, but if I had to chose I'd go with Bonderman. Kazmir may have had a better ERA in the 2nd half, but he was basically the same pitcher all year with some improvement in pitching with men on/etc. If you look he still had a 1.43 WHIP in the 2nd half, compared to a 1.49WHIP in the 1st half. IMO that is more indicative then his all of a sudden great ERA he had. Also I'm still scared with him about a possible injury, he hasn't had any problems so far ... but I'm afriad it will happen sooner then later with him. I just pray it isn't TJ surgery that keeps him out a whole year.

PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 8:43 am
by bronxxbomber
This is pretty tough. I guess I'd have to go with Bonderman eventhough I think Kazmir may have more raw talent. I just look at Kazmir's walks and think he's just not getting caught yet.

PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 9:52 am
by rlee
WittyC wrote:I'd also watch to see whether or not Detroit ends up hiring Larry Rothchild from Chicago. He ran the good, young arms flat over there, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him do the same to Bondy.


Didn't Rothchild turn them down? Maybe I'm imagining that. :-?

PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 9:54 am
by WittyC
rlee wrote:
WittyC wrote:I'd also watch to see whether or not Detroit ends up hiring Larry Rothchild from Chicago. He ran the good, young arms flat over there, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him do the same to Bondy.


Didn't Rothchild turn them down? Maybe I'm imagining that. :-?


Right you are, Lamar...

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051011&content_id=1246134&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc

I guess I need to whip my stat-checking crew into shape. :*)

PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 10:49 am
by sisyphus
Thanks, guys. I've been going back and forth on basically those same lines of thought. One of these guys is going to be great! And the other is going to be very mediocre or a complete bust. I want the good one! :-o