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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 2:37 am
by HOOTIE
Yoda wrote:FLA is better than SD. Willis gives up less BB, HR and posted a better ERA despite playing against tougher opponents. Peavy missed more time in 04 and 05 due to various injuries while Willis has not. Willis went the distance 7 to Peavy's 3. Willis had 5 SHO to Peavy's 3.


Where do you guys keep getting this notion Florida is better then SD? SD won 1 less game, and in the last 2 years, SD has won more. But this is moot either way. Both teams will lose free agents, and sign some. Factor in possible career years next year, and it's anyone's guess which team will be better.

Willis had a slightly better era this year, but in 04, Peavy was almost 2 runs lower. I don't see them being equal given the last 2 years of era, and Peavys big 3 K/9 more.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 3:03 am
by HOOTIE
Nuggets, just curious, which group predicts Willis better in long run? As far as DIPS or ERC, Peavy has been better the last 2 years.

DIPS

Peavy 05 3.00
Willis 05 3.20

Peavy 04 3.21
Willis 04 4.01


ERC

Peavy 05 2.51
Willis 05 2.73

Peavy 04 3.22
Willis 04 4.28

PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 9:00 am
by Pogotheostrich
Yoda wrote:Oh, and about Willis' delivery... Unless you ahve a crystal ball, you have no freaking idea whether it will lead to an injury. Prior apparently has the best delivery ever and he can't seem to stay healthy. It's a shot in the dark at best.
You're right no one can tell you whether his motion will lead to an injury. But I can tell you that it increases his chances. His mechanics put more strain on the arm than a more conventional motion. That is a fact. The thing we don't know is how well his body will hold up under the strain.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 9:03 am
by AT
brandnew wrote:I don't see how Willis and Peavy are equal. Willis has an edge in ERA, but Peavy beats him a lot in K/9, K/IP, and WHIP, which are huge stats. Not to mention, Peavy beats him by a lot in BAA.


Really? Who had the best ERA in the majors last year?

Jake Peavy.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 9:10 am
by raiders_umpire
with the depth of starting pitching for next year, i am not taking willis or carpenter in my top 25.... i might would take peavy in a keeper in the first 2 rounds, but i will definitely pass on both willis and carpenter.... but as far as my early rankings for next year,,, peavy is above both of them on my list fairly easily, then willis and carpenter are neck to neck......

i have carpenter well behind peavy due to age, and i have willis well behind peavy due to that windup---i just think that eventually it will cause him some major problems with injuries.....

PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 9:22 am
by Yoda
HOOTIE wrote:
Yoda wrote:FLA is better than SD. Willis gives up less BB, HR and posted a better ERA despite playing against tougher opponents. Peavy missed more time in 04 and 05 due to various injuries while Willis has not. Willis went the distance 7 to Peavy's 3. Willis had 5 SHO to Peavy's 3.


Where do you guys keep getting this notion Florida is better then SD? SD won 1 less game, and in the last 2 years, SD has won more. But this is moot either way. Both teams will lose free agents, and sign some. Factor in possible career years next year, and it's anyone's guess which team will be better.

Willis had a slightly better era this year, but in 04, Peavy was almost 2 runs lower. I don't see them being equal given the last 2 years of era, and Peavys big 3 K/9 more.


Look at both pitcher's career numbers. They are almost identical.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 8:03 pm
by hooligan1
Big Pimpin wrote:And as far as your assessment, I'd definitely have ARam and Utley on the list, with Reyes and Dontrelle falling off. I'm not sold on Dontrelle after one good season. I would mix things up a little, but overall it isn't bad.


I'd agree. You gotta add Utley.......

PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 8:44 pm
by brandnew
Atrophying Testicles wrote:
brandnew wrote:I don't see how Willis and Peavy are equal. Willis has an edge in ERA, but Peavy beats him a lot in K/9, K/IP, and WHIP, which are huge stats. Not to mention, Peavy beats him by a lot in BAA.


Really? Who had the best ERA in the majors last year?

Jake Peavy.


Why are you quoting me? I'm arguing FOR Peavy ;-D

(BTW, I meant Willis had the ERA edge this year)

PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 9:55 pm
by San D
You guys can stop with your rankings.

The gamer has the answers up on the pre-2006 Big Board in Yahoo! :-b