Gwyddbwyll wrote: josebach wrote:
"Corys acquires Bonderman and Garciaparra from Smoke for
Renteria and Wickman"
Garciaparra for Renteria - Not a bad trade considering Garciaparra's injury history. The way this season turned out it was a smart trade.
Bonderman for Wickman - Uh... who cares?
Not a bad trade.
"Corys acquires Abreu and Kent from Smoke for Beltran and Vidro."
There was PLENTY of people that still thought Beltran was better than Abreu at this point. Vidro's numbers a few years ago must have been taken into consideration. Plus, Kent was REAAAALLLYY slumping at the time... I had him.
The only trade in my mind that was really unfair AT THE TIME IT WAS MADE was the June 13th one.
"Corys acquires Posada, V.Wells and regains Renteria for Lopez, Mench and Neifi Perez."
Posada for Lopez - acceptable
Wells for Mench - this is kind of one sided, but it's not that much of a stetch. Currently, Wells is ranked 125 overall and Mench is ranked 160. In 2004, Wells was ranked 177 and Mench was ranked 209. There were times during the year where even I though Mench might be better... especially at home games.
Renteria for Perez - definitely not a good trade, but Perez offers second base eligibility as well and Renteria isn't exactly putting up career numbers.
Thanks for your well reasoned feedback. I am guessing Yahoo will agree with you.
Im not sure I agree with some of your points though:
Vidro was injured. At 2B getting Kent for him is like winning the lottery.
Wickman was a huge injury risk wasnt he? He's turned out well but I remember him as someone I was staying far away from at the start. He also went on to post a 7+ ERA for the first month. Bonderman was pretty much the hottest dark horse SP at that time.
I dont think Posada for Lopez is acceptable when Lopez has just gotten injured and was hitting .220 to Posada's .325. I dont think anyone here would do that trade. Similarly Renteria was hitting over 100 points higher than Perez AT the time. Sure does look suspicious when the good team is getting all the hot players and the bottom team all the cold ones.
Lopez was back less than a month after the trade, and who would you rather have for the last two months of the season, Lopez or Posada?
I definitely understand where you're coming from. Why would Smoke bother making trades if he wasn't going to set his roster? The problem is that he didn't set his roster against anybody... not just the Corys. I agree, that it does look suspicious, but it's nowhere near a "slam dunk case of clear collusion"... at least from an outsider's perspective.
Just forget about public leagues. Come to the cafe next year during spring training and I'm sure you can get in a good league. I'd do that myself if I wasn't already in a money league with friends and co-workers. One league is definitely enough for me.