HOOTIE wrote:Sheff's Chef wrote:CubsFan7724 wrote:Oh come on, Carpenter winning wouldnt be nearly as bad as when Clemens won in like 2000 because he had 20 wins, even though his ERA was in the high 3s, or when he won last year even though Randy Johnson was clearly superior.
Thank you. Johnson got the short end of the stick in favor of Clemens because Clemens' W-L. So I couldn't care less if the shoe is on the other foot this year.
And you could make an argument for Carpenter being closer to Clemens than Clemens was to Unit last year. For instance, the difference in WHIP favors Clemens by .06 where as last year RJ's was better by .26! Carpenter leads Clemens by 22 in the Ks department, where as RJ had 72 more. Clemens has walked 7 more batters than Carp in 24 less innings, RJ had 35 less in 31 more innings. The biggest one is Carpenter's 7 CGs and 4 shutouts to Clemens' single CG and 0 shutouts.
So those same voters who gave the Cy to Clemens better give this year's to Carpenter, otherwise something is very wrong.
What happened last year is moot. Shouldn't effect this year's vote at all. Just for the record, RJ had 5 more win shares then Clemens last year. Clemens has 6 more then Carpenter now. RJ beat Clemens by 8 in vorp last year. Clemens leads Carpenter by 6 in vorp now.
Carpenters more innings favor him, but it's not that big a lead, 24 innings. Clemens 6.8 per start is very good.
Clemens didn't win in 00, he won in 01. I would have voted Mussina Garcia over him, but it was close.
01 win shares
Garcia 1st in AL
My bad, I couldn't quite remember the year.