HOOTIE wrote:You don't have to be dominent to make HOF. You seem to be ignoring this fact. Overall numbers will get you in. Eddie Murray, Phil Niekro are classic examples.
Murray's numbers, in his era, are much more dominant than Palmeiro's are in this era. Murray finished in the top five of MVP voting five straight seasons...Palmeiro did it once in his entire career.
Manny has no bearing on Palmeiro.
You're right, but Manny is far better than Palmeiro. Seeing as you love to use runs created, I'll use that statistic. Ramirez has finished in the top eight (first twice) in runs created in each of the past eight seasons. Palmeiro never had such a run and he also has only finished first in that category once. In Adjusted OPS, Palmeiro is the 22nd active player...Manny is 19th all-time. Palmeiro is 26th and 25th active for SLG% and OPS, Manny 8th and 9th ALL TIME in those categories. (Don't you love how non-accumulative statistics GREATLY favor Manny). I won't even begin to talk about Manny's WS MVP or the seven silver slugger awards he's won (compared to Palmeiro's three even though he's been around longer).
Palmeiro isn't watering down nothing.
If he isn't watering down nothing that means he is watering down something. Glad to see you agree.
He created more runs then quite a few legends. MLB has made a mockery of the game with it's drug policy, before, and even now.
Sure, but Palmeiro chose to abuse it; MLB's drug policy wouldn't be a mockery if players like Palmeiro CHOSE not to take steroids.