Tavish wrote:Well there is no modern pitcher I would put ahead of Pedro, the injury in 2001 really hurt his legacy though. Assuming he played that year like the years before and after you would be looking at a guy who was the best pitcher in his league for six consecutive seasons. A league that included Clemens and RJ.
I should have had RJ in the list, I would put him right behind Pedro and Clemens with Maddux being the 4th.
Pedro would be #1 in peak, but you would put him #1 career wise? Roger and RJ have so many more innings, Clemens 4,500 to Pedro's 2,300. Pedro had his prime, and likely is in a slight decline mode rest of career, which will drop his era+ some likely. Until Pedro gets another 1,000+ innings, i take Roger and RJ.
Its really hard to say career-wise, Pedro is still only 33 years old and likely still has 5-10 years left in his career. He very well might have a decline the during those years but its getting tougher and tougher to expect the backend of any player's career to fall apart as they once did. If we had said the same thing about Clemens and RJ at age 35 then we would have cut off several of the greatest seasons of their career. RJ especially, who is having the equivalent of a Barry Bonds explosion late in his career.
It would take a pretty major hit to Pedro's career for his ERA+ to fall down to the Clemens level. He is never going to pitch as many innings as Clemens did, but he has a good chance of reaching the RJ IP area. Assuming he puts in another 1000 IP his ERA would have to be around 4.35 ( 1.5 runs higher than his career and .5 runs higher than his worst season) to be down to a 141 ERA+. Thats a pretty good margin of error.
Of course this is all moot if he rips his arm off this season and never takes the mound again. We would be in the middle of a Koufax-dilemma only Pedro was miles better than Koufax.
Bury me a Royal.