Yoda wrote:Matthias wrote:Yoda wrote:Economics 101. Manny's price tag makes him virtually worthless in real life. No one would be willing to give up anything useful for him and his monster contract. That is why the Red Sox can't trade him not because they don't want to. Period.
Asanine statement. Here's the top 25 paying contracts of 2005:
1 Rodriguez, Alex $ 26,000,000
2 Bonds, Barry $ 22,000,000
3 Ramirez, Manny $ 22,000,000
4 Jeter, Derek $ 19,600,000
5 Mussina, Mike $ 19,000,000
6 Bagwell, Jeff $ 18,000,000
7 Clemens, Roger $ 18,000,000
8 Sosa, Sammy $ 17,000,000
9 Piazza, Mike $ 16,071,429
10 Jones, Chipper $ 16,061,802
11 Johnson, Randy $ 16,000,000
12 Brown, Kevin $ 15,714,286
13 Hampton, Mike $ 15,125,000
14 Park, Chan Ho $ 15,000,000
15 Schilling, Curt $ 14,500,000
16 Giambi, Jason $ 13,428,571
17 Dreifort, Darren $ 13,400,000
18 Thome, Jim $ 13,166,667
19 Abreu, Bobby $ 13,100,000
20 Jones, Andruw $ 13,000,000
21 Sheffield, Gary $ 13,000,000
22 Walker, Larry $ 12,666,667
23 Helton, Todd $ 12,600,000
24 Griffey Jr, Ken $ 12,500,000
25 Guerrero, Vladimir $ 12,500,000
Virtually every name on there has been traded, or discussed in trade talks, in the last few years. And the few that haven't (say, Jeter and Bonds) would be discussed if anybody thought they coud be available (up to the end of last season, anyways).
The question isn't the size of the contract: it's the value that you extract out of it. And given Manny's torrid hitting the past two seasons, there is no sense in which he is "worthless." For that, look at the crap roster that Isaiah has assembled for the Knicks.
Manny is immovable unless they absorb another retarded contract. Only an idiot would trade players like Reyes and Wright for Manny in today's market.
What major players with crazy contracts have been traded on that list? Let's see. A-Rod, Randy Johnson, Sammy Sosa, Kevin Brown, Curt Schilling.
Seems to me that 3 out of the 5 people on that list were traded to none other than the YANKEES. Rodriguez, Johnson and Brown were all sent to New York because New York was willing to take their contracts, and pay them even more money in extensions if need be (Randy's case). The Yankees are an exception, as I said before. They haven't cared in the past how much money they spend.
And the only reason that there are so many outrageous contracts there is because of the market in which those contracts were created. Nearly everyone with an outrageous contract (north of 15 million) was signed when the market was ridiculous. These were the years when A-Rod got 25 mill, Manny 22, Jeter 19, Mussina 19, Chipper 16, Brown 15, Sosa 17, Hampton 15.
The market was very high then. Was Jeter worth 19 million? Hell no. But he signed for that much, so everything was inflated. Look at the superstars signed in the last few years, Vlad, Sheff, etc. Vladimir is every bit as good as A-Rod and is better than Manny, yet he got HALF of what Rodriguez makes. It's all according to the market.