Laean wrote:Yoda wrote:Laean wrote:Yoda wrote:Laean wrote:wasn't he basically a 20 20 type player in oakland? getting out of there means more stolen bases, and colorado means more homers ... so i don't see why he's only a borderline crap OF etc. i'd take a 25 25 player - which seems like a definite possibility. i know he hasn't been doing well this year, but keep in mind he hasn't been getting full playing time in oakland and the Athletics as a team has been sucking the first couple of months.
i'm not saying he WILL be a 25+ 25+ player, but i just look at what coors did to castilla, and burnitz to a lesser extent last year, and think he's a big - not just a borderline - potential breakout player rest of this season.
Just b/c a guy hits 20 HR one year and steals 17 bags doesn't make him a 20-20 player.
He only has 3 years of MLB experience and he's already 30. He's marginal talent and I can't see him making a big impact unless you are in a large league.
true, i should've specified last year he was almost a 20 20 player. as for him being a marginal talent, i just look at vinny castilla and see what he managed to do in coors and what he does off of it, and think even a marginal talent player can be great in colorado. here are his numbers when he played a full season:
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1995 COL 32 90 .309
1996 COL 40 113 .304
1997 COL 40 113 .304
1998 COL 46 144 .319
1999 COL 33 102 .275
2001 TB/HOU 25 98 .260
2002 ATL 12 61 .232
2003 ATL 22 76 .277
2004 COL 35 131 .271
2005 WAS 6 42 .253
Dude, just b/c a lot of marginal players have done well there doesn't mean that Byrnes will automatically be successful. You have no idea how he will do and neither do I. He may be worth a bench spot but until he produces, he is nothing but a waiver fodder which is what he's been in his entire career except for maybe 04.
dude, calm down, i agree with you. i never said he WILL be good. i said there's a possibility that he will be good. but just as i can't be certain and proclaim that he will be a 25+ 25+ player in colorado, you can't claim that his value is waiver fodder. if you value players the bare minimum until they've proven themselves, you're going to be late on the sleeper/breakout pickups almost all the time.
good job ignoring the stats.
Ignoring stats? Your bs Castilla/Byrnes comparison? That's really relevant.