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cookman wrote:I also would like to see any information on conferring BABIP averages onto hitters and their performance. I just don't see it. For instance, speedy guys, like Ichiro, are going to have higher BABIP just because they can leg out more hit balls. Guys with line-drive swings are also going to have a higher BABIP than guys with upper-cut swings, as will guys who can hit to all fields because they can hit away from the shift. I think there are to many factors that into each different hitters' swings to convey one norm BABIP on every hitter, and to say if they're above that then they are lucky, and if they are below that they are unlucky.
I have seen this stat used for pitchers, and I do find it useful for pitchers because I think the thinking is that they will face enough hitters of different styles for all of these to sort of "average" out and leave a "norm" number that should be achieved. I don't think I've ever heard this stat used on hitters, though, and I question its reliability in that aspect. If you have any info to make me change my mind I would certainly entertain it, however.
WittyC wrote:Can't we all just get along?
BB -- This can be settled with an answer to a single question: Do you think D-Lee's success has a great deal to do with luck right now?
George_Foreman wrote:two things:
well, he might turn in to one of "today's greatest hitters", but he's done nothing to indicate to me that he'll be near pujols or the helton of the past. i think he'll be a very good 1B, but no better than third in the near future, behind teixiera and pujols. i could be wrong, but that's the way i see it.
and also, a better fielder than erstad? you've got to be kidding me.
WittyC wrote:I didn't intend to imply that you did have a vedetta against him BB, and I respect the hell out of you on this board, so don't get the wrong idea from what I said!
WittyC wrote: This can be settled with an answer to a single question: Do you think D-Lee's success has a great deal to do with luck right now?
I'm not going to argue the value of BABIP, I think in Lee's case, he's really not getting lucky. "Hittin' it where they ain't," can be a skill. There's no way to argue that Ichiro can do this, and I think D-Lee's doing it in a much different manner.
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