slomo007 wrote:Yoda wrote:slomo007 wrote:Well I don't know if you've been one to say it...but I brought up Casey's surrounding lineup because that is the argument for many other people in this thread who feel Helton's move to Baltimore, where he'd have a good surrounding lineup, would actually help his value. That is ludicrous IMO. Again, not sure if this is how you justified it or not...I really didn't mean to turn this in to a Casey vs Helton debate...just kind of turned out that way. All I'm saying is that they would put up similar numbers if Helton moved out of Colorado, not sure who would top who, but they would be very similar.
slomo007, you are a reasonable guy. But if we are taking into account lineups and ballparks, then shouldn't we be projecting Helton's numbers based on them as well outside of COL? BAL is a pretty neutral park and you ahve to remember that every year Helton has to hit at SF, SD, LA multiple times per year, all against very competitive pitchers and in favorable pitching venues. Also, COL's lineup is anything but good and if he ends up with the O's, he would be surrounded by pretty successful hitters. So no, I can't accept taht given Helton's career road numbers and Casey's career numbers that they should be considered equal in any shape.
That is a good point about the other ballparks, but the AL east isn't exactly a hitter's haven either. I know TB and NY are not good hitters' parks. I think you can only read in to road (inter division) park affects a little bit, because there are a lot of out of division games as well.
But slomo, we are talking about 30 games out of 80 games that are played at SF, LAD and SD. That's 37.5% of his road numbers.
Last season, he played in 76 games, 27 at those three parks.