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Phatferd wrote:I love you too Agnes, so don't think I was leaving you out.
I understand your argument and I just don't agree with it, so I have my argument straight not backwards. Backwards to you maybe, but not me.
I understand all of that, but what if according to your theory the Red Sox will win roughly 60% of their games.
Wouldn't they also have a 60% chance of winning 1 game? I know its 50/50, but the better team has a slightly bigger chance, at least according to Vegas and they sure as hell aren't losing money.
I still go back to my theory that an entire season is based on series, so what changes from then to the playoffs? They play better teams.
BTW, bloops, dinks and dunks aren't luck. They are all parts of the game and are hits. The only luck that comes into play is where the defense is aligned and that is ultimately up to the coach.
If this were luck then every hit would be luck, therefore everything in baseball and life essentially is luck.
Phatferd wrote:I am done with this thread after this final post. I am glad we were able to end this thread without name calling and got it back on track. I am to blame for this as well.
I understand all of your theories. I understand what GTWMA just showed, but he said it himself that the best teams end up with a .600 winning percentage, so no matter how you slice, it they win at a 60% clip. Be it 10, 20, 30, 40, ...162, 60% is 60%. The whole purpose of percents is to give you a calculation of the probability of something out of 100. Be it 1 or 1,000,000.
Phatferd wrote:If the A's are the second best team based on record, then isn't a pitcher with the 2nd most wins the same?
You can't have your cake and eat it too...
Phatferd wrote:Sample sizes this and that, baseball is a game not a math competition. Humans play it out and the better ones win.
Phatferd wrote:Luck implies you have no control over something, and I think that is total crap. When the pitcher takes the rubber for any game (regular or postseason) they control their destiny not some outside force. As with a hitter who steps to the plate.
looptid wrote:Phatferd wrote:Luck implies you have no control over something, and I think that is total crap. When the pitcher takes the rubber for any game (regular or postseason) they control their destiny not some outside force. As with a hitter who steps to the plate.
Well, that's not really what chance in baseball is about. If you look at things that way, there is no chance. If you flip a coin, based on where your thumb makes contact on the coin, how much force you apply, the density of the atmosphere, and the distance the coin has to fall before coming to rest, it can only have one result. You are the cause of a coin flip coming out heads or tails.
But if you don't believe there is chance in baseball, show me that you can control the results of flipping a coin.
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