SouthBronxBombers wrote:Sabremetrics will not tell you if Canseco was a selfish hitter or not. Nor is it just swinging for the fences. It is not moving a runner over to third base with no outs, it is not taking pitches to give a baserunner a chance to steal, there is a host of things it can be. And sabremetrics, just like all the other invented ways to analyze players does not prove anything. It is always and will always be judgement calls and personal opinions on someone. And as with stats in all things, you can make them "prove" anything depending on what stats you use and how you use them.
I do not want to touch that with a thrity foot pole for the eventual tired arguement that will result, but my question would be, and Joe Morgan will? What Morgan does is practiced by dozens upon dozens of people in baseball. He projects his dislike of someone onto a flaw that doesn't exist.
And what's with steering this to sabermetrics? Or any kind of performance evaluatioin? I was just pointing out what a shoddy job one ESPN on-air personality does, and how his personal agenda plays out in the media. You want to defend his ripping a book he never even looked at? You want more knocks on Morgan?
1. Lobbies to get his buddies and teammates into the hall of fame, but makes statements about only allowing players who truly deserve to be there into the hall (he is on the veterans' committee that votes players passed over by the writers in). Care to argue that Tony Perez was better than Ron Santo by any means you'd like? To Morgan, truly deserving of the hall of fame means someone he likes personally.
2. I know this is steering things dangerous close back to the whole statistics-or-scouting thing, as if they have to exist in conflict when they do coexist just fine, but back in 2003 when he ripped the Oakland Athletics brand of baseball, saying that because they do not move runners along and conserve outs, they cannot have postseason success, he missed one obvious point that I think you will forgive me for in bringing up numbers.... the Athletics scored more runs per game in the postseason than they did during the regular season. The offense played better than it did during the regular season.
3. Morgan attacked Tommy Gioiosa about his charges against Pete Rose when more allegations surfaced in 2001. Morgan said the source was not credible, as Gioiosa had not come forward with this information at any time earlier, even when Gioiosa said the same stuff in 1990. Then Morgan went on to attack the journalistic integrity of Buzz Bissinger, who published Gioiosa's comments. Bissinger has a Pulitzer to his name and has made a career out of telling the truth.
Morgan spouts off stuff that is not true all the time and could care less about checking up on what is actually correct. This has nothing to do with statistics and everything to do with Morgan dishonestly pushing his own personal agenda.