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Postby blankman » Sat Apr 02, 2005 3:23 pm

slomo007 wrote:
TheYanks04 wrote:Soriano is a horrible defensive 2b. Young is pretty good, though he is more or less a 2b playing out of position. Tex and Blalock are OK though neither I believe is destined for a gold glove and Barajas I am not really familair with defensively.

Soriano is so bad and no one stands out as being a top-tier glove on that squad. They are not the worst defensive squad for sure, but any infield with hands of stone Soriano playing 2b has problems...trust me as I used to hold my breathe every time that clod was about to make a throw to first or try to pivot on the DP at 2b. Randolph worked with him constantly and he still blew defensively. Soriano basically belongs in the OF whether he wants to admit it or not.


TheYanks04 + Soriano/Brown Topic = :-o


Or Vaz, or Weaver or virtually every Yankee :-P
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Postby slomo007 » Sat Apr 02, 2005 3:25 pm

blankman wrote:
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TheYanks04 wrote:Soriano is a horrible defensive 2b. Young is pretty good, though he is more or less a 2b playing out of position. Tex and Blalock are OK though neither I believe is destined for a gold glove and Barajas I am not really familair with defensively.

Soriano is so bad and no one stands out as being a top-tier glove on that squad. They are not the worst defensive squad for sure, but any infield with hands of stone Soriano playing 2b has problems...trust me as I used to hold my breathe every time that clod was about to make a throw to first or try to pivot on the DP at 2b. Randolph worked with him constantly and he still blew defensively. Soriano basically belongs in the OF whether he wants to admit it or not.


TheYanks04 + Soriano/Brown Topic = :-o


Or Vaz, or Weaver or virtually every Yankee :-P


Blank, you seem like a down to earth Yankee fan. What are your thoughts on Soriano's defense? I watched a ton of Texas games last year (from Dallas) and I don't think he's really all that bad. He's far from being good...but I'd call him average defensively...maybe very slightly below average, but he makes up for it on offense IMO.

Thoughts?
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Postby TB13 » Sat Apr 02, 2005 3:29 pm

[quote="TheYanks04"]Soriano is a horrible defensive 2b. [/quote]

Be that as it may, as a fellow Yankee fan, I would still love to have him back. And it is actually not all that bad.
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Postby TheYanks04 » Sat Apr 02, 2005 4:15 pm

TB13 wrote:
TheYanks04 wrote:Soriano is a horrible defensive 2b.


Be that as it may, as a fellow Yankee fan, I would still love to have him back. And it is actually not all that bad.


I will take Arod any day of the week thank you very much. Soriano is going to end up costing some team almost as much as AROD is costing us and he does not deserve to polish Arod's shoes. Add in a declining OPS in combo wth his horrible glovework and Arod is a far far better player we will have for years to come for about the same money. One of Cashman's better moves. There was no talk last season like there was in 2003 about the hhorrible Yankee infield defense. That is in no small part due to the fact that the iron gloved Captain K was not there. Outside of when Gimabi is manning frst, the Yanks IF defense is now pretty respectable.
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Postby AKhomebrewer » Sat Apr 02, 2005 4:25 pm

Defensively, I give it to Seattle with Sexson, Boone, Pokey and Beltre.
Fantasy-wise, I'm down with Texas.
Most of the rest of the best (offensively) have at least one hole or question mark:
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Cubs- Walker
Fla- Gonzalez
Mets- Douggy Baseball
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Postby Free Bagel » Sat Apr 02, 2005 4:40 pm

Cornbread Maxwell wrote:Atl has to be up there:
C - Estrada
1B - Laroche
2B - Giles
SS - Furcal
3B - Chipper

CHC is very good:
C - Barrett
1B - DLee
2B - Walker
SS - Nomar
3B - ARam

Obviously the Yankmees are good.

SEA is formidable:
C - Olivo
1B - Sexson
2B - Boone
SS - Reese
3B - Beltre

I do think you nailed it with TEX though - hard to argue with that group.


Yeah, reallistically none of those are even close.

Vs. Atl:
C - Barajas vs. Estrada
1B - Texeira vs. Laroche
2B - Soriano vs. Giles
SS - Young vs. Furcal
3B - Blalock vs. Chipper

V. ChC
CHC is very good:
C - Barajs vs. Barrett (tossup)
1B - Texeira vs. DLee
2B - Soriano vs.Walker
SS - Young vs. Nomar
3B - Blalock vs. ARam (tossup, though I like Blalock better)

vs. Sea
C - Barajas vs. Olivo
1B - Texeira vs. Sexson
2B - Soriano vs. Boone
SS - Young vs. Reese
3B - Blalock vs. Beltre

Even the few that Texas loses they barely lose. But some of the ones they win (Soriano vs. Walker, Young vs. Reese, Texeira vs. Laroche, etc) aren't even close.
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Postby thehat » Sat Apr 02, 2005 4:57 pm

Bloody Nipples wrote:It was Texas last year, and its Texas again this year. They are going to be really good this year. If they can only get some starting pitching, I would say they could be a serious threat to win the WS.


Finding pitchers who can thrive at Coors Light is no easy task. You just know come August those poor guys will have nothing left, even the few who had something to begin with.
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Postby brandnew » Sat Apr 02, 2005 6:37 pm

Free Bagel wrote:
Yeah, reallistically none of those are even close.

Vs. Atl:
C - Barajas vs. Estrada
1B - Texeira vs. Laroche
2B - Soriano vs. Giles
SS - Young vs. Furcal
3B - Blalock vs. Chipper



I beg to differ.

Giles >>> Soriano
Chipper > Blalock (Atleast for now)
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Postby Absolutely Adequate » Sat Apr 02, 2005 6:42 pm

brandnew wrote:
Free Bagel wrote:
Yeah, reallistically none of those are even close.

Vs. Atl:
C - Barajas vs. Estrada
1B - Texeira vs. Laroche
2B - Soriano vs. Giles
SS - Young vs. Furcal
3B - Blalock vs. Chipper



I beg to differ.

Giles >>> Soriano
Chipper > Blalock (Atleast for now)


Why not just go all the way and say that
Laroche >>>>> Teix
Furcal >>>>>>>> Young

Actually, I'd look at a Braves/Rangers matchup like this:

Barajas = Estrada
Teix >>>>> LaRoche
Soriano >>>>>> Giles
Young < Furcal
Blalock > Chipper

At least for fantasy purposes.
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Postby Amazinz » Sat Apr 02, 2005 6:42 pm

brandnew wrote:
I beg to differ.

Giles >>> Soriano
Chipper > Blalock (Atleast for now)

Beg all you want, won't make it true. :-D

What are we talking fantasy or RL? RL I wan't Giles but fantasy it's Soriano. Blalock over Larry in any scenario.
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