Deuce wrote:Mark McGwire and Barry are both deserving and going into the Hall of Fame. No question. So far in this post, I have only seen reaction to the latest scandals. Who in the HOF is without scandal or question?
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For the past 10-15 years, these two have been the premier players in the game. Not because they were on juice, but because they could play the game of baseball.
This poll was not about whether or not they should be in the HOF, it is simply another attempt to exclude Barry, while not seeming racist.
Together and alone, they made baseball worth watching after the strike. The excitement the homerun chases have created, has been a major part of the return of baseball fans. If you don't believe that, don't draft Bonds, Pujols, Abreu, Rodriguez or any other power hitter.
There are a lot of things in this post I diagree with. There is A LOT of question about whether either of these two should be in the HOF.
Here are the key criterion for HOF voters:
Rules for Election to the National Baseball Hall of Fame by Members of the Baseball Writers' Association of America (BBWAA):
5. Voting — Voting shall be based upon the player's record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played.
Player's record and ability? In question - both probably would have faded earlier without steroids.
Integrity - They cheated and they lied about cheating.
Sportsmanship - They stuck needles in their butts to gain an inappropriate advantage when the essence of competition is a fair/level playing field.
Character - At every opportunity to show character, they have done the opposite to cover their cheating.
"For the past 10-15 years, these two have been the premier players in the game. Not because they were on juice, but because they could play the game of baseball."
If they were so darn good, why did they have to inject themselves with drugs?
"Together and alone, they made baseball worth watching after the strike."
Baseball would have recovered without them. Neither of them had anything to do with the exciting playoff run of the Cubs two years ago or the come from behind victory of the Red Sox last year.
Integrity, sportsmanship and character are supposed to be key factors. It is somewhat irritating to me when people in steroid discussions bring up the fact that players who cheated by corking bats or throwing spitballs have been inducted. Just because HOF voters errored by rewarding cheaters in the past does not mean that it should be overlooked in the present. Will the same excuses be made 50 years from now when players are finding new ways to cheat? An opportunity exists to draw the line today and send a very, very powerful message for future athletes - don't cheat or you will never get into the Hall of Fame. Bud Selig and the head of the union and those other oxygen thieves who perpetuate this drug using culture should be removed from power. Their replacements should make it very simple and very clear for everyone - if you use steroids, or amphetimines, or human growth hormone and are found out, you will never again play major league baseball in this country (have you ever seen the movie Eight Men Out - a couple of guys got treated very harshly, but a very clear message was sent and games being thrown has not been a major issue since, if it has been an issue at all). It isn't complicated, it is very simple - it's just that the leaders try to make it complicated so they can make it seem like they aren't to blame.
And, Sosa and McGwire didn't save baseball and Bonds is not the reason fans come to the park - if they had never existed, people would still want to experience the innate thrills of the game, would still want to be there when the Sox come back to beat the Yanks. These people who defend cheaters amaze me - I guess they are just big fans or something. But the thing is, if the cheaters weren't in the game, somebody would still have the highest batting average, somebody would still have the most homeruns, somebody would still win the World Series - and they could be fans of THOSE guys - the ones who don't get the recognition they should because they chose to do the RIGHT thing and not spin the steroid wheel of fate with their bodies.
These guys cheated. They lied. They stole money from young players who should have been in the Show but instead had to wallow in the minors because some older dude took steroids and unnaturally prolonged his career. They made a silent scream to kids that doing drugs was not only right, but really the only way to go.
If McGwire doesn't make the HOF and Bonds, Sheffield, Sosa, Giambi and IRod (or whoever is found to have used steroids) are banned from baseball, it will send the strong kind of message that should be sent. And 50 years from now, nobody will care (when's the last time somebody put a post on this board saying that Shoeless Joe Jackson of the Black Sox was screwed and should be in the HOF?).
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