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Estoban Loaiza a possible sleeper?

PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 7:19 am
by Euclid
Is he going to bounce back from last years numbers? So far in spring training he is doing real well! He has pitched 14 innings and has given up 17 hits and a walk giving him a 1.28 whip while having 4 ER giving him a 2.57 ERA and 9 SO's. I know its spring training but is he a possible sleeper for 2005?

PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 7:37 am
by jpbusta
No.

Re: Estoban Loaiza a possible sleeper?

PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 7:40 am
by Conner
Euclid wrote:Is he going to bounce back from last years numbers? So far in spring training he is doing real well! He has pitched 14 innings and has given up 17 hits and a walk giving him a 1.28 whip while having 4 ER giving him a 2.57 ERA and 9 SO's. I know its spring training but is he a possible sleeper for 2005?


Please don't put so much importance on spring training stats.



Thank you.

PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 8:23 am
by J2thez929
Unlike others, I woudl consider him a longshot sleeper. Keep an eye on his first 3-4 starts and then consider him a good waiver pick-up if he is performing

PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 11:07 am
by bronxxbomber
J2thez929 wrote:Unlike others, I woudl consider him a longshot sleeper. Keep an eye on his first 3-4 starts and then consider him a good waiver pick-up if he is performing


He came around during the playoffs last season and I remember there was talk of him pitching with a tired arm most of the season. Maybe he's healthy again. He's has to be worth at least a flyer.

PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 11:08 am
by baseballboy
J2thez929 wrote:Unlike others, I woudl consider him a longshot sleeper. Keep an eye on his first 3-4 starts and then consider him a good waiver pick-up if he is performing


AGREE!

http://www.fantasybaseballcafe.com/foru ... p?t=104482

PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 11:26 am
by Secret Avatar
I've already picked him up as a sleeper for 2005. I know he's the guy everyone loves to hate, but take a look at the underlying numbers. In 2003, he won 21 games with an ERA under 3 and 200+ Ks. That doesn't just happen by accident. He owns the skills that gave him that monster year. Of course, skills alone are not enough.

Take a look at 2004. Everyone remembers the second-half disaster, but most people forget that Loaiza was pitching very well through June (6-3, 3.69 ERA, 1.23 WHIP, and 40 K in 70 IP). That's about as good as anyone not named Randy Johnson or Pedro Martinez can expect to post in the AL East.

Unfortunately, after June it was KABLOOEY. He started giving up long balls like a little leaguer pitching to Pujols. And then, he came back and had a great post-season. What the?!

Now look at ST. Yeah, I know that everyone says "ST doesn't mean anything," but that's an overstatement. Managers evaluate ST performance to decide critical issues like who starts at what position, batting order, and even who gets to stay in the show. If you do credit ST, and I do, then you'll see that Loaiza is looking like the Loaiza of 2003 and the first two months of 2004: very sharp. Plus, he's now back in the NL. I would take a late-round flyer on him, and in fact already have. I think he's gonna surprise a lot of people this year. Don't let yourself be surprised.

PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 2:55 pm
by Madison
He's a total waste of oxygen. Here, take a look at his career era by month:

April: 2.98
May: 5.23
June: 5.32
July: 5.00
Aug: 4.64
Sept: 4.84
Oct: 3.48 (3 starts)

Don't be fooled by a quick start, he does it every year. Also, spring training stats mean very, very, little.

PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 3:01 pm
by Secret Avatar
"Also, spring training stats mean very, very, little."

I disagree. Like I said, I don't think they mean much, but managers pay close attention to them in determining starting line-ups, batting order, and even who gets to break camp. I think us fantasy owners should pay attention as well.