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The Jury wrote:Conner wrote:Mookie4ever wrote:Transmogrifier wrote:Mookie4ever wrote:The Miner Part 2 wrote:Mookie4ever wrote:Rowand, Chavez and Carlos Lee are all overrated players.
Ichiro, Beltre and, come to think of it, most of the Mariners lineup does not get the respect that it deserves.
yea the guy who leads baseball in all-star game voting every year, wins the mvp as a rookie and sets the all-time hits in a season record is definetly underated.
I don't know if you are trying to be funny but the question was directed to fantasy baseball. I have seen a lot of rankings and drafts where Ichiro does not get taken in the first round.
This is because Ichiro is a not a first rounder, Mook. He's not worth it. He won't hit .370 again, that's for sure. I think he's overrated.
Ohh Trans, no you too.
This is how Ichiro gets underrated.
In a points league Ichiro may lose some value but in what universe is Ichiro not a first rounder in roto?
The highest BA with the most AB, great steals, will lead the league this year in runs scored. He will be a top 3 hitter this year.
It's silly to proclaim Ichiro as having the "highest batting average" this year.
Last year, he hit .315 in the first half. In the second half, he hit .423.
So, I guess you'd say..."Well that shows you how great he is".
In the second half of last year, 46% of every ball he put in play ended up being a hit. That's an incredible amount of luck. The league average is 30%.
I suppose you'll say..."Well, he's fast, so that's why he can get more hits on infielders bobbling balls and whatnot".
In the first have, 34% of his balls in play ended in a hits, and in 2003, 33%. The 46% in the second half last year was simply an incredible amount of luck, which is incredibly unlikely to happen again. Carl Crawford's percentages (just for comparison to another speedy guy) have been 33%, 33%, and 33% in his 3 seasons with the Devil Rays. It's usually a pretty darn consistent stat.
Ichiro is about a .300 hitter. Not much more....Don't let his 2004 second half fool you.
With respect, I disagree with you. Ichiro is definitely better than a .300 hitter.
While your provided numbers are acceptable and show that likely have done some research and are not just blabbering off the top of your head, I do not agree that they support your case to much of an extent.
Ichiro makes a career of making the best possible contact that he can on the pitches that the swings at.
Maybe a better stat if you can acquire it is the "% of balls put in play that result in hits" for career .300 hitters. I would expect that value to be significantly higher than the 30% of the MLB universe, and luck would likely be only a small factor.
Conner wrote:And no...being a better hitter does not lead to having more balls in play lead to hits.
nikku88 wrote:The reason Ichiro hit .312 in 2003 is because he hit .259 in the 2nd half. He badly slumped then.
He also hit .255 in April last year, bringing down his 1st half numbers. You can't just ignore one half while stating the other is more accurate.
Tavish wrote:Conner wrote:And no...being a better hitter does not lead to having more balls in play lead to hits.
I somewhat on the same page as you until this. That is absolutely incorrect. You can compare a player's BIP BA to his past history to find major deviances that could be attributed to more luck (like Ichiro's second half), but better hitters without a doubt have better control over the amount of hits generated on balls in play.
LBJackal wrote: Ichiro's career hit rate is .364. Last year it was .401. Yeah, it was a lot higher than his career numbers, but being anywhere around .370 should be no surprise for him (hit rate, not BA).
Arod ok - but Chavez, Rolen and Blalock putting up similar numbers to Beltre??
This is why Beltre is underrated.
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