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Postby MashinSpuds » Thu Mar 03, 2005 4:40 pm

Yoda wrote:That being said, I think it is ridiculous to call these people greedy or anything else. I know that if I am negotiating a salary, I would want as much as I think I should get.


I call him greedy b/c he hasn't proven anything yet. In my mind he's only worth league minimum until he gets a good season in. If he wants to earn more, prove it. Otherwise he should take the $4 million and show us what he's got... then he can negotiate.

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Postby Yoda » Thu Mar 03, 2005 5:29 pm

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Yoda wrote:That being said, I think it is ridiculous to call these people greedy or anything else. I know that if I am negotiating a salary, I would want as much as I think I should get.


I call him greedy b/c he hasn't proven anything yet. In my mind he's only worth league minimum until he gets a good season in. If he wants to earn more, prove it. Otherwise he should take the $4 million and show us what he's got... then he can negotiate.

Don't stare a gift horse in the mouth, as they say.


You see, people don't know the whole situation. Boras, the good agent that he is, told everyone what it would take to sign Weaver. The reason he wasn't picked #1 was due to this fact. Now the Halos don't want to pay him what they knew to sign him and everyone is calling Weaver greedy? Please.
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Postby MashinSpuds » Thu Mar 03, 2005 5:35 pm

Yoda wrote:You see, people don't know the whole situation. Boras, the good agent that he is, told everyone what it would take to sign Weaver. The reason he wasn't picked #1 was due to this fact. Now the Halos don't want to pay him what they knew to sign him and everyone is calling Weaver greedy? Please.


Someone's greedy. Boras is greedy (by default). Weaver is greedy (he could always step in and say hey, I'll take it, I just wanna play.). Anyone refusing $4 million, no matter how much someone is supposedly worth, is greedy. Period. Yes, it's the nature of the business but I still find this hemming and hawing ludicrous. Play ball, rookie.
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Postby Melo255 » Thu Mar 03, 2005 5:37 pm

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xtrm84 wrote:I cant stand this guy, Ive been reading about it all off season and all i hear about is his money hungry agent Boras, I could care less if he signs with us. I hate his "Im the next Prior" BULL


Honestly, I don't think this is Weaver's fault. He chose the best agent on the planet to guide him through the process. Boras, on the other hand, does what he is supposed to do for his clients. He gets them the most money whether they deserve it or not.

That being said, I think it is ridiculous to call these people greedy or anything else. I know that if I am negotiating a salary, I would want as much as I think I should get.

Oh, and he never said that he is the next Prior. That is a comparison made by reporters and journalists. In the long run, he will be a good #2 or 3 since I don't trust his genetic make up IMO.


Thank you. I can't stand everybody ripping these guys. He did what all of us would do. He got the best agent to get him the longest and biggest deal. People here saying they would just take a $4 million bonus and not be greedy aren't in his position. He has known for a long time that he was a special ballplayer and would be paid a ton of money. I never fault rookies or first timers for holding out for the best possible deal since there is no guarantee they will ever sign another one. This is one of those 'don't hate the playa hate the game' situations.

Also, substitute baseball player for lawyer or IT specialist or whatever and we get...us. Anybody who is sought after and can demand more money does it. Just because this happens at staggering monetary levels doesn't make it any different than regular people trying to do right by themselves.
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Postby hybrid » Thu Mar 03, 2005 5:52 pm

What is with all this sympathy? He plays a sport he is supposed to love and is being rewarded past his wildest dreams with it. Also he did go to college, unlike H.S. kids ... so even if he only ever makes the money he signs with this contract, he should be able to live.

What I think some people might be overlooking is, 4 million is only his signing bonus, he will get more then 4 million in the over all deal. For comparisons sake Jeff Niemann signed a 5.2 million deal with a 3.2 million bonus deal, that's a ton of money. A lot of people consider him the best pitching prospect in that draft, and not Weaver.

Most teams skipped Weaver cause of money (and Boras), that is true, but it was also due to them not thinking he was anywhere close to deserving that type of money. That at the time of the draft was rumored to be Mark Prior type money.
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Postby wrveres » Thu Mar 03, 2005 6:01 pm

Yoda wrote:Oh, and he never said that he is the next Prior. That is a comparison made by reporters and journalists. In the long run, he will be a good #2 or 3 since I don't trust his genetic make up IMO.


actually Boras is on record as saying he wanted Prior type money for Weaver.

and preople say don't blame the agent but blame the system. What is forgotten is that Boras actually "created" this system when he held out JD drew back in the 90's ... :-t :-t
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Postby Yoda » Thu Mar 03, 2005 7:47 pm

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Yoda wrote:Oh, and he never said that he is the next Prior. That is a comparison made by reporters and journalists. In the long run, he will be a good #2 or 3 since I don't trust his genetic make up IMO.


actually Boras is on record as saying he wanted Prior type money for Weaver.

and preople say don't blame the agent but blame the system. What is forgotten is that Boras actually "created" this system when he held out JD drew back in the 90's ... :-t :-t


Well, even still, Weaver never compared himself to Prior which is what I was refuting. Also, if you compare the two pitchers, the similaries are certainly there in terms of their accomplishments. I still think that Prior had the edge in terms of overall make up but Weaver is a special talent and he is ready to contribute right now.

I'm not saying I sympathize with Weaver. He has the right to do whatever he wants. If he doesn't play, it will only hurt his own development and also risk the possibility of getting nothing if he were to get seriously injured. I jsut don't think that it is right for us to criticize him personally when it is clear that a) Boras is his agent and he is in charge of making the decisions and b) Boras announced what it would take to sign Weaver and the Halos brass understood this. So can we really blame Weaver for this fiasco? I'm think not.
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Postby Yoda » Thu Mar 03, 2005 7:57 pm

MashinSpuds wrote:
Yoda wrote:You see, people don't know the whole situation. Boras, the good agent that he is, told everyone what it would take to sign Weaver. The reason he wasn't picked #1 was due to this fact. Now the Halos don't want to pay him what they knew to sign him and everyone is calling Weaver greedy? Please.


Someone's greedy. Boras is greedy (by default). Weaver is greedy (he could always step in and say hey, I'll take it, I just wanna play.). Anyone refusing $4 million, no matter how much someone is supposedly worth, is greedy. Period. Yes, it's the nature of the business but I still find this hemming and hawing ludicrous. Play ball, rookie.


Well, then the Angels are greedy too. They make a ton of profit due to their baseball operations. They charge a ton for their hot dogs and beer. They underpay their employees and overcharge the fans. There is a market for his services unfortunately. In the baseball world and the world of professional athletes, $4 mill just isn't that much especially considering the talent. It's all supply and demand. Both sides have a lot to lose if they can't come to an agreement. Not just Weaver.
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Postby wrveres » Thu Mar 03, 2005 7:57 pm

Yoda wrote:I jsut don't think that it is right for us to criticize him personally when it is clear that a) Boras is his agent and he is in charge of making the decisions and b) Boras announced what it would take to sign Weaver and the Halos brass understood this. So can we really blame Weaver for this fiasco? I'm think not.


Well I will agree with you their ..

Thats why the Padres passed up on Weaver with the first overall pick


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