Matt Clement

[LBJackal]

of course all those numbers show is what happens when you add in an extra batter instead of a pitcher - I understand that. My argument had more to do with the quality of the teams.

Well, the quality of teams doesn't matter, the amount of runs they score does. ERA counts runs, not quality.

Caught ya with your foot in your mouth

BTW skip church on Sunday.

[Cornbread Maxwell]

Yeah - its a concern, no doubt, Im not saying he's great, but given the weakness of SP, he's still a top 30 SP - thats the point. Again, who are you ranking ahead of him? Zito? Beurhle? Pavano? Vazquez?

His Ks shouldnt decrease that drastically, and a K/IP might be a bit high with the league switch , but Id be very suprised if he didnt get at least 175 if he pitches 200 innings.

[Steve-o]

of course all those numbers show is what happens when you add in an extra batter instead of a pitcher - I understand that. My argument had more to do with the quality of the teams.

I see him with 200IP - 15W - 3.75 ERA - 1.3 WHIP - 200Ks.

Solid top 30-35 SP - better then the CHW duo and about the same level as Maddux - higher Ks, along with a higher WHIP. I put him a step below Mulder, in the same tier as Pavano, and ahead of Zito.

Basically he's a good #3 SP

These are very similar to my numbers.

14-11, 200 IP 200 K 3.86 ERA, 1.28 WHIP

I also have a big red mark on my cheatsheet because of the gopher balls, but I put less factor into this though becuase of his great K rate. I have him as a top 25 pitcher and right in the middle of my third tier of pitchers.

[xtrm84]

you guys are playing it safe, Boston is where he'll earn his right to the Hall of fame, he'll flurish there. Ill be the one saying I told you so at years end!

[slomo007]

you guys are playing it safe, Boston is where he'll earn his right to the Hall of fame, he'll flurish there. Ill be the one saying I told you so at years end!

Clement, HOF?

[redsox588]

18-5 3.31 ERA 215 IP. 208 K's


yea i said it...

(I'm only a little biased)

[Conner]

For the same price that I see him going you can get Smoltz or (another pitcher that I don't want to mention in front of Cornbread ) who will do much much better.

Now I'm incredibly curious.

[TheRawDAWG]

I don't think he'll have an ERA under 4 this year.

And I too am very curious what pitcher mookie is talking about

[Mookie4ever]

I'm in a league with Corn - we're drafting right now, a slow draft.

I have this pitcher lined up to draft but don't want to mention him because Corn picks ahead of me. The damned vulture

[Conner]

Just make sure to reveal the secret after the guy is picked, and I'll be satisfied.