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Postby Nomar4prez » Thu Mar 03, 2005 1:39 pm

I think around 15 wins, and a 4.00 era isn't too much of a stretch.
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Postby Cornbread Maxwell » Thu Mar 03, 2005 1:57 pm

Mookie4ever wrote:
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Mookie4ever wrote:Add to this the fact that he is now pitching in Fenway, will not be pitching to any more pitchers and gets to face the Yankees, Orioles and yes, even the Jays, all of the time and the outlook for Clement is not good.


Id take this yrs AL East over last yrs NL Central all day.


No don't get off on a tangent. I know your tricks. We're discussing Clement's suckiness in this thread.


Im completely serious. Do you guys remember the NL Central last yr? Id much rather my pitchers faced the Yankmees, Orals, BJs and that AAA team than last yrs Cards, Astros, Reds, etc...

I didnt think it was a tangent since you are the one who brought it up as a reason to discount Clement - if anything the strength of division is a wash.
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Postby Registered_Guest » Thu Mar 03, 2005 2:02 pm

4.50 ERA 14 wins, but not starting in the postseason as he fails (once again) to have the arm strength and stamina to keep up with his early season efforts.

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Postby LBJackal » Thu Mar 03, 2005 2:08 pm

Cornbread Maxwell wrote:Im completely serious. Do you guys remember the NL Central last yr? Id much rather my pitchers faced the Yankmees, Orals, BJs and that AAA team than last yrs Cards, Astros, Reds, etc...

I didnt think it was a tangent since you are the one who brought it up as a reason to discount Clement - if anything the strength of division is a wash.


2004 NL Central runs per game: 4.64 (752 per team)
2004 AL East runs per game: 5.09 (824 per team)

Like HOOTIE pointed out not long ago, every division in the AL is much harder to pitch in than any division in the NL.
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Postby Mookie4ever » Thu Mar 03, 2005 2:08 pm

I have him 12-10 4.20 ERA 1.35 WHIP and 155 K

This puts him at around 45-50 in my SP rankings around D-Train, Pineiro and Benson.
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Postby Mookie4ever » Thu Mar 03, 2005 2:11 pm

LBJackal wrote:
Cornbread Maxwell wrote:Im completely serious. Do you guys remember the NL Central last yr? Id much rather my pitchers faced the Yankmees, Orals, BJs and that AAA team than last yrs Cards, Astros, Reds, etc...

I didnt think it was a tangent since you are the one who brought it up as a reason to discount Clement - if anything the strength of division is a wash.


2004 NL Central runs per game: 4.64 (824 per team)
2004 AL East runs per game: 5.09 (752 per team)

Like HOOTIE pointed out not long ago, every division in the AL is much harder to pitch in than any division in the NL.


I think that you've got those mixed up.

NL Central = 4.64 or 752 per team
AL East = 5.09 or 824 per team
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Postby LBJackal » Thu Mar 03, 2005 2:14 pm

Mookie4ever wrote:
LBJackal wrote:
Cornbread Maxwell wrote:Im completely serious. Do you guys remember the NL Central last yr? Id much rather my pitchers faced the Yankmees, Orals, BJs and that AAA team than last yrs Cards, Astros, Reds, etc...

I didnt think it was a tangent since you are the one who brought it up as a reason to discount Clement - if anything the strength of division is a wash.


2004 NL Central runs per game: 4.64 (824 per team)
2004 AL East runs per game: 5.09 (752 per team)

Like HOOTIE pointed out not long ago, every division in the AL is much harder to pitch in than any division in the NL.


I think that you've got those mixed up.

NL Central = 4.64 or 752 per team
AL East = 5.09 or 824 per team


It's still early for me :*)

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Postby Mookie4ever » Thu Mar 03, 2005 2:14 pm

Cornbread Maxwell wrote:
Mookie4ever wrote:
Cornbread Maxwell wrote:
Mookie4ever wrote:Add to this the fact that he is now pitching in Fenway, will not be pitching to any more pitchers and gets to face the Yankees, Orioles and yes, even the Jays, all of the time and the outlook for Clement is not good.


Id take this yrs AL East over last yrs NL Central all day.


No don't get off on a tangent. I know your tricks. We're discussing Clement's suckiness in this thread.


Im completely serious. Do you guys remember the NL Central last yr? Id much rather my pitchers faced the Yankmees, Orals, BJs and that AAA team than last yrs Cards, Astros, Reds, etc...



That AAA team sucked - but btw, it scored more than 2 teams in the NL Central last year.
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Postby Cornbread Maxwell » Thu Mar 03, 2005 2:23 pm

of course all those numbers show is what happens when you add in an extra batter instead of a pitcher - I understand that. My argument had more to do with the quality of the teams.

I see him with 200IP - 15W - 3.75 ERA - 1.3 WHIP - 200Ks.

Solid top 30-35 SP - better then the CHW duo and about the same level as Maddux - higher Ks, along with a higher WHIP. I put him a step below Mulder, in the same tier as Pavano, and ahead of Zito.

Basically he's a good #3 SP
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Postby Mookie4ever » Thu Mar 03, 2005 2:38 pm

So Corn, you're not at all worried about his collapse last season and all of the gopher balls late in the year?

I also don't see how you can predict an increase in Ks moving from the NL to the AL. Even when he pitched 200 innings in 2003 he only had 171 Ks.
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