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Postby Cornbread Maxwell » Thu Mar 03, 2005 11:26 am

This is a thread brought on by a discrepancy of opinion. ;-)

What do you guys think about Clement this yr - projections - where should he be ranked (ahead of or behind what other SPs)?

The move to the AL should obviously have a negative affect on him, but how much is the question. His K/IP is very good. The park switch should have minimal impact. Id give him more Wins in BOS with the lineup and bullpen factors.

What do you guys think?
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Postby MashinSpuds » Thu Mar 03, 2005 11:30 am

Slightly more wins, maybe 14(the Sox don't always hit.. see Pedro), but I'd say pretty much everything else will be the same as last year. Probably less dependable than Mussina.
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Postby Mookie4ever » Thu Mar 03, 2005 12:06 pm

hmmm, interesting topic. :-]

You probably don't want to hear from me, but I can't resist.

Everything is negative as far as Clement is concerned.

Clement fell apart at the end of last year. His ERA that was a terrific sub 3.00 to start, went up almost every month topping out at 5.65 in August.

The HR/IP rate per month:
April 1/24
May 1/13.3
June 1/9.78
July 1/5.44
August 1/4.5 :-o

If you think that this is because of Dusty's abuse, well maybe, but if so it is long-term abuse because he only pitched 181 innings last year.

Add to this the fact that he is now pitching in Fenway, will not be pitching to any more pitchers and gets to face the Yankees, Orioles and yes, even the Jays, all of the time and the outlook for Clement is not good.

He may get more wins but everything else will be worse. For the same price that I see him going you can get Smoltz or (another pitcher that I don't want to mention in front of Cornbread) who will do much much better.

Personally, I suspect that he is damaged goods which is a shame since I have owned him a few years and like him.
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Postby LBJackal » Thu Mar 03, 2005 12:17 pm

I have Clement projected for:

14-10, 3.82 ERA, 1.30 WHIP 185 K's

That's not so bad. The park change will help with his HRA. He'll also benefit from a much better offense. I'd still take guys like Buehrle or Thomson over him though.
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Postby Copperheads » Thu Mar 03, 2005 12:40 pm

Middle of the road starting pitcher. Have him rated 27th overall. Right around with Buehrle and Pavano. Have him projected at:

16W, 4.02ERA, 1.30WHIP, 187K's with 30 starts.
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Postby Cornbread Maxwell » Thu Mar 03, 2005 12:46 pm

Mookie4ever wrote:Add to this the fact that he is now pitching in Fenway, will not be pitching to any more pitchers and gets to face the Yankees, Orioles and yes, even the Jays, all of the time and the outlook for Clement is not good.


Id take this yrs AL East over last yrs NL Central all day.
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Postby Dmville » Thu Mar 03, 2005 12:53 pm

If the Red Sox have a decent pitching coach who can speed him up between pitches, he should be OK. His problem w run support stems from the fact that he is probably one of the slowest SP in baseball. Just a momentum killer after a good hitting inning. Even his 1-2-3 innings took 10 minutes in Chicago.

I also think he can take on the big boys of NY etc. Against Cards last year, he was 3-2 w a 2.83 era and a WHIP of just above 1.
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Postby slomo007 » Thu Mar 03, 2005 1:00 pm

Cornbread Maxwell wrote:
Mookie4ever wrote:Add to this the fact that he is now pitching in Fenway, will not be pitching to any more pitchers and gets to face the Yankees, Orioles and yes, even the Jays, all of the time and the outlook for Clement is not good.


Id take this yrs AL East over last yrs NL Central all day.


Are you kidding? :-o
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Postby Mookie4ever » Thu Mar 03, 2005 1:01 pm

Cornbread Maxwell wrote:
Mookie4ever wrote:Add to this the fact that he is now pitching in Fenway, will not be pitching to any more pitchers and gets to face the Yankees, Orioles and yes, even the Jays, all of the time and the outlook for Clement is not good.


Id take this yrs AL East over last yrs NL Central all day.


No don't get off on a tangent. I know your tricks. We're discussing Clement's suckiness in this thread.
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Postby TB13 » Thu Mar 03, 2005 1:32 pm

I rank him sowhere in the Odalis Perez/Pavano/Escobar tier. He is going to trade wins (higher) for era (likewise higher). I say 15-16 wins, 185k's, 4.15 era & 1.25-1.30 whip. Not a bad #3 pitcher. Could be better if he ever got his head on right.
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