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Postby RedSoxdominate » Thu Feb 24, 2005 9:13 pm

What does everyone think his numbers are going to be this year? Is he upper-tier yet?
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Postby RynMan » Thu Feb 24, 2005 9:20 pm

RedSoxdominate wrote:What does everyone think his numbers are going to be this year? Is he upper-tier yet?


He will be very good this year. ERA around 3.20 Id say. Probably 190 K in as many innings. 13-15 Wins. Id take him as a strong number 2 pitcher on my staff.
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Postby Cleveland Steamers » Thu Feb 24, 2005 9:35 pm

Im saying 15 W's, 3.78 ERA , 194 K's, 1.17 WHIP...good number 2
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Postby fantasyfiend » Thu Feb 24, 2005 10:01 pm

Control issues still linger.

Im not nearly as high on Harden as some are.

I see a k/9 of about 8.0
200+ innings
an ERA between 3.75 and 4.25
and a whip in the 1.20's

wins are much to volatile to make an accurate projection. for the sake of the team im hoping "he can win" 15+

Mulder won 17 last year with an era in the mid 4's.
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Postby cordscords » Thu Feb 24, 2005 10:08 pm

3.35 era, 1.25 whip, 15 wins, 180 k's

he's getting to the upper tier ;-D
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Postby mtarail » Thu Feb 24, 2005 10:12 pm

I think he'll be real good in real life, but not "upper tier" in fantasy terms.

I think he's gonna have intermittent battles with control, and as a result he won't improve his WHIP enough to be considered upper tier.
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Postby RynMan » Thu Feb 24, 2005 10:16 pm

fantasyfiend wrote:Control issues still linger.

Im not nearly as high on Harden as some are.

I see a k/9 of about 8.0
200+ innings
an ERA between 3.75 and 4.25
and a whip in the 1.20's

wins are much to volatile to make an accurate projection. for the sake of the team im hoping "he can win" 15+

Mulder won 17 last year with an era in the mid 4's.


Do you see him throwing over 200 innings with the great pen they have now? I would think that they would nurture him a little with such a young live arm, particularly when you have guys like Cruz and Duscherer in there that can throw alot of innings in relief. Just curious what your thoughts are....

As for Mulder, he won 12 of those 17 games before the all star break when he had an ERA of 3.21. He only got the other 5 after the break with an ERA of 6.13.

I believe alot of people are going to undervalue Wins for A's pitchers this year - as they are undervaluing the team as a whole.

The two things that are important in helping a pitcher obtain a win in Oakland have been upgraded. The bullpen (which blew countless numbers of games for starters in 04) is now stacked. Along with that they have added a strong bats in Ginter and Kendall, and replaced Dye with Swisher. Along with a healthy season of Eric Chavez. I will say it now and you can come back and hose me later if I get it wrong, Harden will get at least 15 wins this season if he throws 190+ innings.
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Postby Halo » Thu Feb 24, 2005 10:45 pm

Do you see him throwing over 200 innings with the great pen they have now? I would think that they would nurture him a little with such a young live arm, particularly when you have guys like Cruz and Duscherer in there that can throw alot of innings in relief. Just curious what your thoughts are....

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As for Harden reaching 200, I definitely think he will. The A's have a tendancy not to hold back young arms, so I would be surprised if they tried to nurture Harden. Plus, he pitched almost 190 innings last year. Look at each of the Big 3 in their respective first two full seasons:

Hudson - 202/235
Zito - 214/229
Mulder - 229/207

Obviously that was under a different Manager, but Macha hasn't shown any signs of letting up on his starters. Assuming he's durable enough, he'll go 200, and I think he's a stud in the making.

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Re: Rich Harden

Postby Yoda » Thu Feb 24, 2005 10:53 pm

RynMan wrote:
RedSoxdominate wrote:What does everyone think his numbers are going to be this year? Is he upper-tier yet?


He will be very good this year. ERA around 3.20 Id say. Probably 190 K in as many innings. 13-15 Wins. Id take him as a strong number 2 pitcher on my staff.


There is a chance that he may regress a bit. I believe he will take step up but not enough to move into the upper tier until he can straighten out his control prblems.
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Postby RynMan » Thu Feb 24, 2005 11:59 pm

Halo wrote:Do you see him throwing over 200 innings with the great pen they have now? I would think that they would nurture him a little with such a young live arm, particularly when you have guys like Cruz and Duscherer in there that can throw alot of innings in relief. Just curious what your thoughts are....

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I wish I knew how to grab just a part of a quote. I'm still new at this, I'll learn.

As for Harden reaching 200, I definitely think he will. The A's have a tendancy not to hold back young arms, so I would be surprised if they tried to nurture Harden. Plus, he pitched almost 190 innings last year. Look at each of the Big 3 in their respective first two full seasons:

Hudson - 202/235
Zito - 214/229
Mulder - 229/207

Obviously that was under a different Manager, but Macha hasn't shown any signs of letting up on his starters. Assuming he's durable enough, he'll go 200, and I think he's a stud in the making.

Now if I could just get someone to tell me how to grab part of a quote...


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I would be curious to know what Oakland's bullpen ERA and blown saves stats were during the years for Zito, mulder, and hudson. Because I tend to think Harden only threw deep into games last year because the bullpen was useless.
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