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Postby Yoda » Thu Feb 24, 2005 12:28 pm

What are some of your thoughts on this guy? Was he hurt? Was he rattled in NY? Was he overworked? Are his skills deteriorating?

I think the move to AZ will really help him but how much? Thanks. ;-D
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Postby jeff926 » Thu Feb 24, 2005 12:34 pm

it may help him, but at the same time, he is going to the place where randy johnson barely had a winning record, and got 2nd in the cy young... his team is bad, and even if he pitches better, it wont affect his overall stats much... he will be a little better, but not enough for me to be happy with him on my team
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Postby TheYanks04 » Thu Feb 24, 2005 12:35 pm

LOL...

He just plain blows. A gutless waste.

He may settle down in Ariz with no proessure to win...would not bet on it though.
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Postby Yoda » Thu Feb 24, 2005 12:37 pm

jeff926 wrote:it may help him, but at the same time, he is going to the place where randy johnson barely had a winning record, and got 2nd in the cy young... his team is bad, and even if he pitches better, it wont affect his overall stats much... he will be a little better, but not enough for me to be happy with him on my team


To be fair though, they added Glaus and Green plus a healthy LGonzo. They had ZERO offense in 04. They are a much better team this season no?
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Postby j_d_mcnugent » Thu Feb 24, 2005 12:43 pm

there was a lot of speculation that he was injured because he was throwing at a different arm angle. his strikeouts took a huge drop in new york (from 241 down to 150). i thin vaz could be a solid value pick. those k's could get back up to 180-200. AZ's offense should be better than last year and vaz was valuable without much of an offense in montreal. i think the can manage wins in the low teens, 180-200k, high 3 era, 1.25 whip. pretty decent numbers i think.
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Postby TheYanks04 » Thu Feb 24, 2005 12:44 pm

They also replaced RJ with Vazquez...so no.

Better, sure... Alot better...not really. Still will be very fortunate to not lose 95+
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Postby MashinSpuds » Thu Feb 24, 2005 12:46 pm

Yeah, I'd keep an eye on Vaz later in the draft, especially due to his positive record in a similar low-offense locale of Montreal. As Yoda mentioned, Arizona has gotten some solid guys to increase the offense on the club.

I think you could definitely bank on 10-12 wins and a 3-4 ERA from him with a return of the K's. Not bad for a 3rd/4th pitcher.
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Postby stabone76 » Thu Feb 24, 2005 1:26 pm

Think of what you are saying. I guarentee Arizona this year will be better than playing for the expos was.
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Postby TB13 » Thu Feb 24, 2005 1:45 pm

I think that he is going to be a very good value pick for someone. When all is said and done, he may have very similar #'s to pitcher in the Clemente, Perez (Odie) & Escobar group.
He got rattled in NY. Not the first nor the last. If you can land him in rounds 11-15, you got yourself a very good value pick. While I do not expect him to return to Expos days, I do expect much better than last year. Again, it was not all that long ago (only two years)that he was one of the top young pitchers in all of baseball. He could be a real gem this year.
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Postby Rkiivs » Thu Feb 24, 2005 3:41 pm

TheYanks04 wrote:LOL...

He just plain blows. A gutless waste.

He may settle down in Ariz with no proessure to win...would not bet on it though.


Sound familiar? Alot of folks said the same thing about Weaver.

Javier was dropping his ERA & BAA while raising his K's in 2002 & 2003. Then he hit NY and just fell apart.

TB13 hit it on the head: a good value pick. I wouldn't be surprised to see him thrive away from the glare of the Yankees.
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