I think that is a close one. The lack of bats in Houston concerns me, but so does the Cubbie's bullpen. I'd like to think that Z will mature after last season's performance and take it up another notch, while Rocket b/c of age makes a small drop. Maybe slight edge on Zambrano?!
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Mugwump wrote:I think that is a close one. The lack of bats in Houston concerns me, but so does the Cubbie's bullpen. I'd like to think that Z will mature after last season's performance and take it up another notch, while Rocket b/c of age makes a small drop. Maybe slight edge on Zambrano?!
Yeah I got Clemens and Zambrano in the top 10 SP. I would probably lean towards Zambrano tho.
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Cleveland Steamers wrote:JGreer, that is the most ridiculous thing ive ever heard. Im a huge cubs fan and a die hard fantasy baseball participant. How can you say that Zambrano (my favorite player), is the ace? First, that is ridiculous. Second, Maddux is the number two? That is even more ridiculous than the first statement you made. I know maddux wins 15+ a year, and is a great pitcher, but #2 on the Cubs staff? What are you watching? Wood has not won more than 14 in a season but has sone nasty stuff. As a Cubs fan, Wood has never gotten run support. How you could actually say that Prior AND Wood are behind Maddux and Zambrano is beyond me. I feel like Zambrano is successful because he isnt expected to carry the load (and he is amazing). If you move him up to #1 or #2, he may fail due to pressing. Its clearly: #1 Prior; #2; Wood; #3 Zambrano, #4 Maddux; #5 (Rusch, Mitre, etc.). That is the most obvious rotation. As a Zambrano fan, he shows alot of emotion and may not be ready to carry the load of being in the top 2 of the staff. I think he will be a Cy winner in the future, but not quite yet.
So what you are saying is that "nasty stuff" makes you a better pitcher? "Nasty stuff" makes you deserve a rotation spot over a future hall of famer? I think not. Maddux has won 15 games or more for 17 straight years. Wood has never won 15 games. Maddux has a career ERA of 2.94. Wood's is 3.63. Maddux walks a guy every 4.8 innings. Wood walks a guy every 2 innings. Tell me, why should Wood be ahead of him in the rotation?
JGreer wrote:So what you are saying is that "nasty stuff" makes you a better pitcher? "Nasty stuff" makes you deserve a rotation spot over a future hall of famer? I think not. Maddux has won 15 games or more for 17 straight years. Wood has never won 15 games. Maddux has a career ERA of 2.94. Wood's is 3.63. Maddux walks a guy every 4.8 innings. Wood walks a guy every 2 innings. Tell me, why should Wood be ahead of him in the rotation?
by this logic, Sosa should not have been moved out of the cleanup spot last year. Brilliant!
JGreer wrote:So what you are saying is that "nasty stuff" makes you a better pitcher? "Nasty stuff" makes you deserve a rotation spot over a future hall of famer? I think not. Maddux has won 15 games or more for 17 straight years. Wood has never won 15 games. Maddux has a career ERA of 2.94. Wood's is 3.63. Maddux walks a guy every 4.8 innings. Wood walks a guy every 2 innings. Tell me, why should Wood be ahead of him in the rotation?
by this logic, Sosa should not have been moved out of the cleanup spot last year. Brilliant!
No, actually, different logic. Sosa was struggling last year. Maddux had another great year. Wood was broken again.
JGreer wrote:So what you are saying is that "nasty stuff" makes you a better pitcher? "Nasty stuff" makes you deserve a rotation spot over a future hall of famer? I think not. Maddux has won 15 games or more for 17 straight years. Wood has never won 15 games. Maddux has a career ERA of 2.94. Wood's is 3.63. Maddux walks a guy every 4.8 innings. Wood walks a guy every 2 innings. Tell me, why should Wood be ahead of him in the rotation?
by this logic, Sosa should not have been moved out of the cleanup spot last year. Brilliant!
No, actually, different logic. Sosa was struggling last year. Maddux had another great year. Wood was broken again.
Just as Maddux is not a 2.94-200 player, Sammy is not a 290-50 player. Diminished skills are relevant and justify placing lower in the order/rotation.
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