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Postby Yoda » Tue Feb 22, 2005 2:58 pm

Bay did K alot. But so does most young power hitters.

I don't think Bay is bettr than Maggs but the real issue is whether Maggs is healthy. I really do not think that he will end up playing 153+ games as he has in the previous 4 seasons. I doubt he will run at all, limiting his steals potential.

Still a great hitter, if he is healthy, he will easily be better than Bay and Rowand. I just don't think he will be. He is also at a stage in his career where elite players can take a step down coming back from a serious injury. It's close but I prefer Bay for 05 until I see Maggs at 100%.
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Postby slomo007 » Tue Feb 22, 2005 2:59 pm

so0perspam wrote:
Halo wrote:Great feedback, thanks.

Let me throw one more thing at you to see if this changes your mind. I currently have all three on my team but can only keep one. Since I took Maggs in the second round of last year's draft, I would forfeit my second round pick this year if I chose to keep him. However, since I picked up Bay and Rowand as FA's last year, I would only be forfeiting a last round (15th) pick if I chose to keep either of them. So, it's really a Maggs+15th rounder or Bay+2nd rounder. It's a 12 team/5 player keeper league, so figure the top 60 are off the board before the draft even starts.

Any thoughts?


I change my mind then .... Maggs is the clear choice in this situation. ;-D


I think either you or I misunderstood this so0p, I think he's saying that if he keeps Maggs, he'll lose his 2nd round pick this year. And if he keeps Bay or Rowand, he'll lose his 15th rounder.
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Postby so0perspam » Tue Feb 22, 2005 2:59 pm

slomo007 wrote:
so0perspam wrote:
Halo wrote:Great feedback, thanks.

Let me throw one more thing at you to see if this changes your mind. I currently have all three on my team but can only keep one. Since I took Maggs in the second round of last year's draft, I would forfeit my second round pick this year if I chose to keep him. However, since I picked up Bay and Rowand as FA's last year, I would only be forfeiting a last round (15th) pick if I chose to keep either of them. So, it's really a Maggs+15th rounder or Bay+2nd rounder. It's a 12 team/5 player keeper league, so figure the top 60 are off the board before the draft even starts.

Any thoughts?


I change my mind then .... Maggs is the clear choice in this situation. ;-D


I think either you or I misunderstood this so0p, I think he's saying that if he keeps Maggs, he'll lose his 2nd round pick this year. And if he keeps Bay or Rowand, he'll lose his 15th rounder.


Post edited, and yes I misunderstood. :-)
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Postby Mercer Boy » Tue Feb 22, 2005 3:04 pm

Obviously I want Bay to do well, but it's going to take more discipline and good protection for him to do it. He K's a lot and was pretty streaky. I hope Jack Wilson can hit .280 this year, but it won't help if Craig Wilson is behind him whiffing even more than Bay. :-B Teams might try to pitch around Bay to get an easier out.

Ideally, I would like to see a "Giles with the Pirates" effect with Bay if he really blossoms this year. Giles was the only weapon on the team in the late 90s, so teams would walk him a ton. He cranked out 30 HR, 100 RBI's and close to 100 BB every year...along with a .300 or so BA. But, I don't think Bay's discipline is quite as good as Brian's was. So, many of those walks will turn to K's, thus lowering his BA.
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Postby Mookie4ever » Tue Feb 22, 2005 3:06 pm

I say Maggs, Bay then ROwand.
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Postby slomo007 » Tue Feb 22, 2005 3:07 pm

Mookie4ever wrote:I say Maggs, Bay then ROwand.


Even with the sacrifice of his 2nd round pick if he keeps Maggs? :-o
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Postby Halo » Tue Feb 22, 2005 3:08 pm

slomo007 wrote:Knowing that, you can't keep Maggs. You'd be forfeiting a great player in the draft, and he's not worlds apart from Bay or Rowand IMO.

I would go with Rowand personally, but the case can definitely be made for Bay, and I think he'll be the more popular answer on this board.


That's exactly how I see it. Is Maggs going to have that much better of a year over Bay or Rowand that it's worth losing a 2nd round pick for? I really don't think so. I'd much rather have Bay and a second rounder.

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Postby Amazinz » Tue Feb 22, 2005 3:14 pm

Halo wrote:Great feedback, thanks.

Let me throw one more thing at you to see if this changes your mind. I currently have all three on my team but can only keep one. Since I took Maggs in the second round of last year's draft, I would forfeit my second round pick this year if I chose to keep him. However, since I picked up Bay and Rowand as FA's last year, I would only be forfeiting a last round (15th) pick if I chose to keep either of them. So, it's really a Maggs+15th rounder or Bay+2nd rounder. It's a 12 team/5 player keeper league, so figure the top 60 are off the board before the draft even starts.

Any thoughts?

Yeah in this scenario it's a slam dunk. Bay over Magglio. ;-)
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Postby Mookie4ever » Tue Feb 22, 2005 3:39 pm

slomo007 wrote:
Mookie4ever wrote:I say Maggs, Bay then ROwand.


Even with the sacrifice of his 2nd round pick if he keeps Maggs? :-o


Wow - didn't even see that.

You know what I've figured out - if you don't have an avatar, I don't read your posts. It's not deliberate, I mean I don't consciously say "If you don't take the time to pick a damned avatar, I'm not going to take the time to respond to your question". But subconsciously I just pass over these posts because nothing sticks out about the post. Kind of like having a Mets avatar, I just pass right on over the post.

Funny eh?

What was the question again?
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Postby slomo007 » Tue Feb 22, 2005 3:42 pm

Mookie4ever wrote:
slomo007 wrote:
Mookie4ever wrote:I say Maggs, Bay then ROwand.


Even with the sacrifice of his 2nd round pick if he keeps Maggs? :-o


Wow - didn't even see that.

You know what I've figured out - if you don't have an avatar, I don't read your posts. It's not deliberate, I mean I don't consciously say "If you don't take the time to pick a damned avatar, I'm not going to take the time to respond to your question". But subconsciously I just pass over these posts because nothing sticks out about the post. Kind of like having a Mets avatar, I just pass right on over the post.

Funny eh?

What was the question again?


lol, your posts always amuse me. Luckily, you have an avater so I did read it.

I think the question has been answered, so don't worry about it. Maggs is the worst choice of the 3 because of the rules he's under.
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