Why does ZIG hate Johan? - Fantasy Baseball Cafe 2014 Fantasy Baseball Cafe
100% Deposit Bonus for Cafe Members!

Return to Baseball Leftovers

Why does ZIG hate Johan?

Moderator: Baseball Moderators

Postby CubsFan7724 » Tue Feb 22, 2005 6:17 pm

I'm going to go with that he has an armadillo in his trousers as compared to your caterpillar 8-o :-D BURN! (J/k)
Image
CubsFan7724
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
Pick 3 Weekly Winner
Posts: 6426
Joined: 19 Mar 2004
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: AKA 34=Sweetness on FFC

Postby WittyC » Tue Feb 22, 2005 6:21 pm

I'm getting your back, ZIG...

Santana is overrated! Other than his wins, his numbers weren't that much better than, let's say, Oliver Perez. Randy's "video game stats" warrant first-round selection, not Santana's. Minnesota won't win as many games as they did last year, because that whole division is better. He's been a legitimate starter for all of one season. I would wager that anyone who took Prior in round one last year won't make that mistake on Santana this year. He's a great risk/reward guy, but that doesn't make him a first round pick!
WittyC
Major League Manager
Major League Manager

User avatar

Posts: 1096
Joined: 3 Feb 2005
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Dillon, CO

Postby Lofunzo » Tue Feb 22, 2005 7:25 pm

I would assume that many people agree with ZIG on Santana but he's 1 of the few with the balls to say it here.
Image
Lofunzo
Moderator
Moderator

User avatar
ModeratorCafeholicFantasy ExpertCafe RankerEagle EyeHockey ModPick 3 Weekly Winner
Posts: 23698
(Past Year: 11)
Joined: 9 Jul 2003
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Central Jersey

Postby slomo007 » Tue Feb 22, 2005 7:54 pm

WittyC wrote:I'm getting your back, ZIG...

Santana is overrated! Other than his wins, his numbers weren't that much better than, let's say, Oliver Perez. Randy's "video game stats" warrant first-round selection, not Santana's. Minnesota won't win as many games as they did last year, because that whole division is better. He's been a legitimate starter for all of one season. I would wager that anyone who took Prior in round one last year won't make that mistake on Santana this year. He's a great risk/reward guy, but that doesn't make him a first round pick!


Some of your post made sense....some of it didn't. The biggest thing that stuck out like a sore thumb was the fact that you think the Twins' division got better? Who exactly is going to challenge them this year? The only team that actually got considerably better would be the Tigers. I think that can be counteracted by the White Sox falloff however. KC is still terrible. Cleveland isn't any better than last year, but they're still good. Detroit is probably slightly above average offensively now...but I won't go so far as to be nervous when Santana is on the mound against them.

I agree that I would rather have RJ, and definitely value RJ higher this year.....but Johan is still the 2nd best pitcher in the league hands down, and I don't see any reason at all to think he won't produce like a 1st rounder this year.
slomo007
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
CafeholicEagle Eye
Posts: 11960
Joined: 31 May 2003
Home Cafe: Baseball

Postby Zito is God » Tue Feb 22, 2005 8:15 pm

slomo007 wrote:
WittyC wrote:I'm getting your back, ZIG...

Santana is overrated! Other than his wins, his numbers weren't that much better than, let's say, Oliver Perez. Randy's "video game stats" warrant first-round selection, not Santana's. Minnesota won't win as many games as they did last year, because that whole division is better. He's been a legitimate starter for all of one season. I would wager that anyone who took Prior in round one last year won't make that mistake on Santana this year. He's a great risk/reward guy, but that doesn't make him a first round pick!


Some of your post made sense....some of it didn't. The biggest thing that stuck out like a sore thumb was the fact that you think the Twins' division got better? Who exactly is going to challenge them this year? The only team that actually got considerably better would be the Tigers. I think that can be counteracted by the White Sox falloff however. KC is still terrible. Cleveland isn't any better than last year, but they're still good. Detroit is probably slightly above average offensively now...but I won't go so far as to be nervous when Santana is on the mound against them.

I agree that I would rather have RJ, and definitely value RJ higher this year.....but Johan is still the 2nd best pitcher in the league hands down, and I don't see any reason at all to think he won't produce like a 1st rounder this year.


How in the world do you figuire the White S ox offensive got worse???
Image

Sean Tracey has my apologies, we all know Ozzie Guillen is an idiot. I'm rooting for you!
Zito is God
General Manager
General Manager

User avatar
Cafe WriterPick 3 Weekly Winner
Posts: 4169
Joined: 11 Mar 2004
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Secretly advising Cashman.

Postby slomo007 » Tue Feb 22, 2005 8:17 pm

Zito is God wrote:
slomo007 wrote:
WittyC wrote:I'm getting your back, ZIG...

Santana is overrated! Other than his wins, his numbers weren't that much better than, let's say, Oliver Perez. Randy's "video game stats" warrant first-round selection, not Santana's. Minnesota won't win as many games as they did last year, because that whole division is better. He's been a legitimate starter for all of one season. I would wager that anyone who took Prior in round one last year won't make that mistake on Santana this year. He's a great risk/reward guy, but that doesn't make him a first round pick!


Some of your post made sense....some of it didn't. The biggest thing that stuck out like a sore thumb was the fact that you think the Twins' division got better? Who exactly is going to challenge them this year? The only team that actually got considerably better would be the Tigers. I think that can be counteracted by the White Sox falloff however. KC is still terrible. Cleveland isn't any better than last year, but they're still good. Detroit is probably slightly above average offensively now...but I won't go so far as to be nervous when Santana is on the mound against them.

I agree that I would rather have RJ, and definitely value RJ higher this year.....but Johan is still the 2nd best pitcher in the league hands down, and I don't see any reason at all to think he won't produce like a 1st rounder this year.


How in the world do you figuire the White S ox offensive got worse???


Losing Maggs, losing C. Lee. Gaining a .250 hitter and a Japanese hitter who is most likely to struggle. Frank being hurt for the first part of the year. My belief that there is no way Konerko repeats those numbers. Need I go on? The only real improvement they made was at catcher with AJ.
slomo007
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
CafeholicEagle Eye
Posts: 11960
Joined: 31 May 2003
Home Cafe: Baseball

Postby Zito is God » Tue Feb 22, 2005 8:21 pm

Maggs wasn't witrh the team for half the season last year anyways. I bet Pods puts up better numbers and more production for the team then you think. The outfield is better then ever, a healthy Dye can put up great numbers as a good sub for Maggs. Uribe has also consistently improved over the past 3 years.
Image

Sean Tracey has my apologies, we all know Ozzie Guillen is an idiot. I'm rooting for you!
Zito is God
General Manager
General Manager

User avatar
Cafe WriterPick 3 Weekly Winner
Posts: 4169
Joined: 11 Mar 2004
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Secretly advising Cashman.

Postby slomo007 » Tue Feb 22, 2005 8:22 pm

Zito is God wrote:Maggs wasn't witrh the team for half the season last year anyways. I bet Pods puts up better numbers and more production for the team then you think. The outfield is better then ever, a healthy Dye can put up great numbers as a good sub for Maggs. Uribe has also consistently improved over the past 3 years.


Crede needs to step up for them to have any chance at being respectable. I think their season really lies on Crede and Tadahito playing well. The rest of their team will be decent...so if they can play well, that gives the whole team a huge boost. I'm not counting on it though.
slomo007
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
CafeholicEagle Eye
Posts: 11960
Joined: 31 May 2003
Home Cafe: Baseball

Postby CubsFan7724 » Tue Feb 22, 2005 8:27 pm

An OF of Pods, Dye, and Rowand is not better than an OF of Lee, Rowand, and Maggs. Its not even close. And no Frank Thomas either for the first month or two. Do you realize how many RBIs they lose between Lee, Maggs and Thomas? Their offense is going to be worse, and this speedball with stealing bases probably won't be that great. Doesn't a team have to be succesful at stealing bases at least 72% of attempts to break even?
Image
CubsFan7724
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
Pick 3 Weekly Winner
Posts: 6426
Joined: 19 Mar 2004
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: AKA 34=Sweetness on FFC

Postby Rico The Retard » Tue Feb 22, 2005 8:55 pm

You got him in bed with your mother?????? :-?
fgfdsgdsfdasfd

"Hey honey, ya think KFC's still open"-Will Ferrell

Mark my words: Oliver Perez will be 2005 NL Cy Young Winner
Rico The Retard
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
Cafe Ranker
Posts: 5820
Joined: 16 Jul 2004
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: The Magical Valley Of Love And Happiness

PreviousNext

Return to Baseball Leftovers

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: unioreimi and 11 guests

Forums Articles & Tips Sleepers Rankings Leagues


Today's Games
Friday, Aug. 29
(All times are EST, weather icons show forecast for game time)

Minnesota at Baltimore
(7:05 pm)
Cincinnati at Pittsburgh
(7:05 pm)
NY Yankees at Toronto
(7:07 pm)
Philadelphia at NY Mets
(7:10 pm)
Boston at Tampa Bay
(7:10 pm)
indoors
Miami at Atlanta
(7:35 pm)
Cleveland at Kansas City
(8:10 pm)
Texas at Houston
(8:10 pm)
Detroit at Chi White Sox
(8:10 pm)
Chi Cubs at St. Louis
(8:15 pm)
Colorado at Arizona
(9:40 pm)
Oakland at LA Angels
(10:05 pm)
LA Dodgers at San Diego
(10:10 pm)
Washington at Seattle
(10:10 pm)
Milwaukee at San Francisco
(10:15 pm)

  • Fantasy Baseball
  • Article Submissions
  • Privacy Statement
  • Site Survey 
  • Contact