bleach168 wrote:But teams that are healthy abuse the system often by picking up injured players just to stash them for future use.
Then fix the abuse and not the rule that allows them to abuse it. In my league (again, a career league), I am not allowing teams to add players who are on the DL - you can only add them when healthy, and they will be considered on waivers until then.
slomo007 wrote:I think you guys are ignoring this part of his logic:
bleach168 wrote:All a commissioner has to do is eliminate the DL spot and replace it with a regular roster spot. I've done this the last two years in my leagues and have had no complaints.
Thank you.
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bleach168 wrote:But teams that are healthy abuse the system often by picking up injured players just to stash them for future use.
Then fix the abuse and not the rule that allows them to abuse it. In my league (again, a career league), I am not allowing teams to add players who are on the DL - you can only add them when healthy, and they will be considered on waivers until then.
I don't run Yahoo. I can't fix that.
If I were to institute a rule like yours, I would have to constantly watch other owners in the league to make sure they don't break that rule. Then if they do break the rule, how would I go about punishing them?
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slomo007 wrote:I think you guys are ignoring this part of his logic:
bleach168 wrote:All a commissioner has to do is eliminate the DL spot and replace it with a regular roster spot. I've done this the last two years in my leagues and have had no complaints.
Then what's the difference?
Adding an EXTRA roster spot in its place. It's actually not a bad idea.
I will say that replacing is a lot better than simply eliminating, but is the difference really that huge? DL stashing doesn't seem to be a rampant problem. Most DLers don't have big impacts upon return, however there are few cases (Bay, Walker). And why would anyone leave someone on the DL when they're eligible to come back? If you're doing that, then why not simply drop him and forget it. DL spots just seem to help more then they hinder, IMO.
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If you add a roster spot then it still puts players at a disadvantage if a player goes on the real life DL. You have one less active player than everybody else. The point of having a DL slot is to keep things at a fairly level playing field, GP wise, if a team loses one or two players to injury. Simply adding another roster spot might doesn't solve that at all.
I'm sure it would be easier on you if no leagues allowed DL spots but that isn't going to happen so you shouldn't sorry about it
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bleach168 wrote:But teams that are healthy abuse the system often by picking up injured players just to stash them for future use.
Then fix the abuse and not the rule that allows them to abuse it. In my league (again, a career league), I am not allowing teams to add players who are on the DL - you can only add them when healthy, and they will be considered on waivers until then.
Agreed. It's not hard at all to moniter since transactions usually appear on the league homepage.
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LBJackal wrote:If you add a roster spot then it still puts players at a disadvantage if a player goes on the real life DL. You have one less active player than everybody else. The point of having a DL slot is to keep things at a fairly level playing field, GP wise, if a team loses one or two players to injury. Simply adding another roster spot might doesn't solve that at all.
I'm sure it would be easier on you if no leagues allowed DL spots but that isn't going to happen so you shouldn't sorry about it
My thoughts it exactly. I see no reason to get rid of it. Its not like abuse is that bad. Anyone could do it, and no one forced you to drop a player that got hurt instead of stashing him like you should have. I don't even see that big of a difference between a DL slot and an extra roster spot.
LBJackal wrote:If you add a roster spot then it still puts players at a disadvantage if a player goes on the real life DL. You have one less active player than everybody else. The point of having a DL slot is to keep things at a fairly level playing field, GP wise, if a team loses one or two players to injury. Simply adding another roster spot might doesn't solve that at all.
I'm sure it would be easier on you if no leagues allowed DL spots but that isn't going to happen so you shouldn't sorry about it
Yes, but since healthy teams can abuse the current Yahoo DL system, the spirit of the DL spot is compromised anyway.
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bleach168 wrote:If I were to institute a rule like yours, I would have to constantly watch other owners in the league to make sure they don't break that rule. Then if they do break the rule, how would I go about punishing them?
You're right... but as commissioner I take that responsability. I check my box-scores every day, so taking a look at the transactions is not hard. Other owners are also aware, and if one of them notices an abuse, then they will let me know.
How do you fix it? I am averse to punishment, so what I normally would do when owners break the rules is undo whatever they had done, and don't give them credit for making the change. For example - if an owner drops a healthy player that could have played for a "DL" player, I would not allow him to retroactivley put that healthy player in his lineup. A possible penalty would be charging him for the waiver wire move (which we have limits on) but I'm not that mean .