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Postby tms298 » Mon Feb 21, 2005 2:51 pm

The last couple years, we have had problems in our h2h league with "streaming" or "cycling" starting pitchers. That is picking up 2-4 new pitchers each day and dropping them after their start. This will allow you to win strikeouts and wins almost every week, while having drafted little to no starting pitching. To get around this, we have decided to use strikeouts/nine innings instead of pure strikeout number. This will prevent people from streaming as they can count on losing K/9, ERA, and WHIP, while only gaining in wins. We also had to raise the minimum innings pitched to 25 because 3 of the 5 categories are ratios. Otherwise you could have gagne and santana and count on at least 3 of 5 pitching category wins each week. Does anyone see a way that this may be exploited or have any insight on what types of strategy you would implement in this draft. Our hitting categories are runs, rbi, OBP, total bases, and sb. Thanks for any insight.
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Postby Pogotheostrich » Mon Feb 21, 2005 2:58 pm

You could always use winning percentage instead of wins.
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Postby Zito is God » Mon Feb 21, 2005 3:00 pm

I don't see anything wrong with spot starting, while they will almost always win W and K's they will almost always lose ERA and WHIP.
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Postby tms298 » Mon Feb 21, 2005 3:02 pm

but if you go into the season planning on picking up three pitchers for their start that day, then repeating this day in and day out, you will be able to draft without worrying about pitching. The result is your first 10 choices are hitters-which will almost undoubtedly win you 4 or 5 if not all 5 hitting categories each week when matched against a "balanced" team. With your four or five hitting categories in the bank, you then only need two pitching category wins to win every single week.
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Postby Nat Uralice » Mon Feb 21, 2005 3:02 pm

If you're against it, K/9 is a strong way to go. Maybe add Losses too.
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Postby Mordraken » Mon Feb 21, 2005 4:08 pm

Put a maximum number of waiver transactions during the year. That puts an added emphasis on the draft, and makes those waiver wire moves more strategic.

We use 8 waiver wire transactions for the year, plus an additional 4 at the all-star break. That works out to about 1 per month + 4 at mid-season. You might also consider offering an additional pick to any team who is replacing an injured player.

Belive me - THAT will stop the cycling...
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Postby looptid » Mon Feb 21, 2005 4:21 pm

My league is a H2H, but uses a 7x7. We added doubles and on-base percentage to the standard hitting categories and losses and walks to the standard pitching categories. If anyone tired what you're describing they'd tank losses and walks each week.

If you want to keep it 5x5, the suggestions of changing wins to winning percentage and strike-outs to K/9 are great ideas. Volume won't help you win averages.
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Postby Skippyoz » Mon Feb 21, 2005 4:50 pm

We had a similar dilemma going into our baseball draft this year. We are going to put up the maximum of 40 transactions this year, whether they be FA pickups or trades. Hopefully, it works out well.
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Postby tms298 » Mon Feb 21, 2005 4:57 pm

we actually tried 75 transactions last year. sure enough, some people ran out with about a month and a half left (two teams got too close to 75, then had a bunch of injuries). We didn't like the idea of limiting people ability to jump on the hot prospect, and it was bad for everyone that the person was not an eligible trading partner (if they were allowed to trade it would be even more trouble as the team with no transactions left would trade injured players-if for instance, they didn't have a shortstop and a good healthy player for two serviceable replacements. they can then make the argument that the two players that are actually playing improved their team over their one good player and the other injured player they had in the shortstop slot).

it also raised the dilemma that if a person still has transactions left, are they allowed to cycle in the fantasy playoffs?

This is the history of why we have decided to try K/9 innings this year. I appreciate everyone's input and would love any possible loopholes in this arrangement. Thanks.
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Postby stealthrunner » Mon Feb 21, 2005 4:59 pm

Agree with the others, if you are using a free yahoo private league, restrict the number of transactions for the year. It will also slow down those beginning of season hot or not moves.
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