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Postby swarmee » Sat Feb 19, 2005 4:26 pm

and it's a great strategy. I don't see anything wrong with mortgaging all your current value for the future year, as long as you're not trading 6 studs to one team, upsetting the balance in the league. In fact, if you trade too much with one team, you won't be getting as much value back in trades as you should.
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Postby Madison » Sat Feb 19, 2005 5:24 pm

I agree. If the trades were fair, then I do not see the problem. Sure, he went about it a bit early, and most likely didn't get the best end of the deal, but that kind of thing is very common in keeper leagues. By doing it early, he probably figured he would get more teams involved and get the best for his superstars. All just part of the game in keeper leagues though.
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Postby thedude » Sat Feb 19, 2005 6:09 pm

Trading away superstars for prospects is what many MLB teams do. So it really shouldn't be banned
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Postby Tribe-Fan » Sat Feb 19, 2005 7:25 pm

CubsFan7724 wrote:This isn't dumping, he just mortgaged for the future. IF he had dropped all his players it would have been dumping.


Actually in fantasy circles this is called dumping. There is no definition for dropping all your players because other then the free leagues where you are playing with strangers it does not happen.

Many leagues have early dumping rules as it can screw with the balance of a league.

I have seen some leagues assign a "class" to a player, and then before a certian date, usually the all-star break, an equal class player has to be in the other side of the deal. For example, you could call Clemens an "A" class player, and before the all-star break if Clemens is involved in a trade another class "A" player has to be returned in the deal.

Clemens was just an example, don't drill me for calling him class A, but I wanted to pick an obvious older stud-type player one would deal for prospects in a keeper.

It is similar to how free agents are graded in order to determine compensation if they sign somewhere else. Pick a trusted media source with dollar values and determine your class list pre-season, something like $30+ players are A, $20-$29 are B, $10-19 are C, etc. It is easier then it sounds and it works.
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Postby Subversive » Sat Feb 19, 2005 10:43 pm

Garry26 wrote:1- He stayed active
2- He didnt drop all his players
3- He traded his stars for prospects early

Thats foolish, but there's nothing wrong with it. Im betting the owners that got angry were the ones that didnt benifit from any of his trades. Obviously there werent many angry owners. Otherwise they could have vetoed his trades.

Vetos are the best way to stop these trades.

However, the owner made a big mistake by trading for prospects so early. Its impossible to know who the good prospects are so early in the season. He should have waited.


I don't use a league veto, I use the commish veto because I don't like how someone can lobby other owners into vetoing a trade. However, I received long and loud complaints about the strategy when the owner did the first of these trades (I just checked my e-mail logs, the first of them was April 13th) and as much as it annoyed me, I couldn't find anywhere in the rules which would allow me to veto the trades. He ended up doing 2 or 3 more similar trades within the first month of the season and now has a keeper roster of Santana at $7, Sheets at $6, Javy Lopez at $5, Lidge at $5, and Dotel at $5. Anyway, it looks like it worked pretty well for him (we'll see if he wins this year to back it up), but several owners really want something implemented before the start of the season to prevent it from happening again.

Tell me what you think of this idea, if you please.

I was thinking I could abide by a league veto rule if any trade is deemed to be of the 'mortgaging for the future' type prior to June 1st. After June 1st, this would become acceptable and I would revert to commish judgement on all trades. Thoughts?
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Postby CubsFan7724 » Sat Feb 19, 2005 11:00 pm

Tribe-Fan wrote:
CubsFan7724 wrote:This isn't dumping, he just mortgaged for the future. IF he had dropped all his players it would have been dumping.


Actually in fantasy circles this is called dumping. There is no definition for dropping all your players because other then the free leagues where you are playing with strangers it does not happen.

Many leagues have early dumping rules as it can screw with the balance of a league.

I have seen some leagues assign a "class" to a player, and then before a certian date, usually the all-star break, an equal class player has to be in the other side of the deal. For example, you could call Clemens an "A" class player, and before the all-star break if Clemens is involved in a trade another class "A" player has to be returned in the deal.

Clemens was just an example, don't drill me for calling him class A, but I wanted to pick an obvious older stud-type player one would deal for prospects in a keeper.

It is similar to how free agents are graded in order to determine compensation if they sign somewhere else. Pick a trusted media source with dollar values and determine your class list pre-season, something like $30+ players are A, $20-$29 are B, $10-19 are C, etc. It is easier then it sounds and it works.
I see no problem if a person trades all thier current talent for prospects. The only thing I can see wrong with it is if they purposefully work with one person and give their studs to them for their prospects and only theirs.
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