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Postby Kingctb27 » Sat Feb 19, 2005 9:20 pm

lmao, wonder who that guy would be :-? :-b
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Postby bolkonsky » Sat Feb 19, 2005 10:42 pm

Ditto what J. Treehorn said.
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Postby SHOCKandAWE » Sun Feb 20, 2005 2:12 am

It is very close but I would have to give the nod to Hafner for this year.
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Postby nettles3Ball-star » Sun Feb 20, 2005 3:05 am

Tribe-Fan wrote:
nettles3Ball-star wrote:Any word as to whether Hafner is naturally that big and cut? I'm becoming wary of the superhero type physiques.


I read today actually that Haffner discovered something amazing this off-season, vegtables, and that his altered diet had him losing weight. Here is the blurb from today's Cleveland Plain Dealer.

"Pass the veggies:

Hafner discovered something unusual last season - vegetables.

"In spring training, I talked to our nutritionist," said Hafner, "and I started eating better"

The conversation opened his eyes.

"I used to be on what I called my caveman diet," said Hafner. "I'd go to all those steak buffets. But when I started eating vegetables, I lost about five or 10 pounds. I'd order a side of or broccli and my friends would go crazy"


I wonder if they sit around thinking this stuff up. " Hey Haff, here is a good one, tell the media you discovered you like veggies now and that you lost weight because of it. Or maybe tell them you changed your workout but are really only down 5 pounds, but that didn't work to well with Giambi last year"

I was suspect of Haffner before I read this news today. I hate being cynical like that but the guy looked like Road Warrior Hawk for petes sake.

Edited to add the article quote


Thanks Tribe Fan, Good find. Am I the only one concerned about this? Going off the roids certainly doesn't seem to help hitters.
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Postby Yoda » Sun Feb 20, 2005 10:49 am

nettles3Ball-star wrote:
Tribe-Fan wrote:
nettles3Ball-star wrote:Any word as to whether Hafner is naturally that big and cut? I'm becoming wary of the superhero type physiques.


I read today actually that Haffner discovered something amazing this off-season, vegtables, and that his altered diet had him losing weight. Here is the blurb from today's Cleveland Plain Dealer.

"Pass the veggies:

Hafner discovered something unusual last season - vegetables.

"In spring training, I talked to our nutritionist," said Hafner, "and I started eating better"

The conversation opened his eyes.

"I used to be on what I called my caveman diet," said Hafner. "I'd go to all those steak buffets. But when I started eating vegetables, I lost about five or 10 pounds. I'd order a side of or broccli and my friends would go crazy"


I wonder if they sit around thinking this stuff up. " Hey Haff, here is a good one, tell the media you discovered you like veggies now and that you lost weight because of it. Or maybe tell them you changed your workout but are really only down 5 pounds, but that didn't work to well with Giambi last year"

I was suspect of Haffner before I read this news today. I hate being cynical like that but the guy looked like Road Warrior Hawk for petes sake.

Edited to add the article quote


Thanks Tribe Fan, Good find. Am I the only one concerned about this? Going off the roids certainly doesn't seem to help hitters.


A pretty good debate deteriorated to this...
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Postby AcidRock23 » Sun Feb 20, 2005 12:29 pm

I am aiming for Morneau, simply as there was quite a Hafner-craze in our league last year and everybody is aware of him. I'm sure that there are a few people who will thinking of Morneau too but I anticipate that Hafner will be going too high, right after the 1st tier 1B. I think he's worth maybe the 10th round but may go in 6 or 7 as people start to sweat the hole in their lineups.

At least I hope!! :-)
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Postby nettles3Ball-star » Sun Feb 20, 2005 5:41 pm

Yoda wrote:
nettles3Ball-star wrote:
Tribe-Fan wrote:
nettles3Ball-star wrote:Any word as to whether Hafner is naturally that big and cut? I'm becoming wary of the superhero type physiques.


I read today actually that Haffner discovered something amazing this off-season, vegtables, and that his altered diet had him losing weight. Here is the blurb from today's Cleveland Plain Dealer.

"Pass the veggies:

Hafner discovered something unusual last season - vegetables.

"In spring training, I talked to our nutritionist," said Hafner, "and I started eating better"

The conversation opened his eyes.

"I used to be on what I called my caveman diet," said Hafner. "I'd go to all those steak buffets. But when I started eating vegetables, I lost about five or 10 pounds. I'd order a side of or broccli and my friends would go crazy"


I wonder if they sit around thinking this stuff up. " Hey Haff, here is a good one, tell the media you discovered you like veggies now and that you lost weight because of it. Or maybe tell them you changed your workout but are really only down 5 pounds, but that didn't work to well with Giambi last year"

I was suspect of Haffner before I read this news today. I hate being cynical like that but the guy looked like Road Warrior Hawk for petes sake.

Edited to add the article quote


Thanks Tribe Fan, Good find. Am I the only one concerned about this? Going off the roids certainly doesn't seem to help hitters.


A pretty good debate deteriorated to this...


IMHO, a player coming off roids might influence his perceived value over another player, thus affecting where and whether he is drafted. So sorry that it pained you to read what I guess you perceive as a sophomoric attempt to gather more information. It was only intended to broaden the debate, by introducing another possible facet. I'll be sure to run my future posts by you since someone obviously appointed you as the ultimate judge and arbiter.
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Postby Yoda » Mon Feb 21, 2005 12:44 pm

nettles3Ball-star wrote:
Yoda wrote:
nettles3Ball-star wrote:
Tribe-Fan wrote:
nettles3Ball-star wrote:Any word as to whether Hafner is naturally that big and cut? I'm becoming wary of the superhero type physiques.


I read today actually that Haffner discovered something amazing this off-season, vegtables, and that his altered diet had him losing weight. Here is the blurb from today's Cleveland Plain Dealer.

"Pass the veggies:

Hafner discovered something unusual last season - vegetables.

"In spring training, I talked to our nutritionist," said Hafner, "and I started eating better"

The conversation opened his eyes.

"I used to be on what I called my caveman diet," said Hafner. "I'd go to all those steak buffets. But when I started eating vegetables, I lost about five or 10 pounds. I'd order a side of or broccli and my friends would go crazy"


I wonder if they sit around thinking this stuff up. " Hey Haff, here is a good one, tell the media you discovered you like veggies now and that you lost weight because of it. Or maybe tell them you changed your workout but are really only down 5 pounds, but that didn't work to well with Giambi last year"

I was suspect of Haffner before I read this news today. I hate being cynical like that but the guy looked like Road Warrior Hawk for petes sake.

Edited to add the article quote


Thanks Tribe Fan, Good find. Am I the only one concerned about this? Going off the roids certainly doesn't seem to help hitters.


A pretty good debate deteriorated to this...


IMHO, a player coming off roids might influence his perceived value over another player, thus affecting where and whether he is drafted. So sorry that it pained you to read what I guess you perceive as a sophomoric attempt to gather more information. It was only intended to broaden the debate, by introducing another possible facet. I'll be sure to run my future posts by you since someone obviously appointed you as the ultimate judge and arbiter.


How do you broaden a debate by speculating that someone was juicing? If we go by Caminiti and Canseco's claim, then we would need to look at over 50% of current players. It is a ridiculous idea to even bring steroids discussion into evaluating players because you have no freaking idea who was on it and who was not on it. 5-10 lbs is not a lot ot lose or gain for an athlete who weighs over 240 lbs. I weigh 150 lbs and lost 10 lbs in 2 months by exercising and dieting.

No need to run posts by me. By you posting messages like this, you automatically kill your credibility so what do I care?
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Postby AcidRock23 » Mon Feb 21, 2005 1:26 pm

+1!! I also think that there would be issues where, w/ muscle strains and that sort of thing, that there COULD be 'legitimate' medical uses for steroids to recover from injuries quicker and that sort of thing. If something like that gets out, I'm sure that there would be no shortage of physicians to 'write notes' for players...

Somewhere, probably here last year, there was some discussion that pitchers would find them very useful for this sort of quickened recovery from strains.
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Postby Yoda » Mon Feb 21, 2005 2:38 pm

AcidRock23 wrote:+1!! I also think that there would be issues where, w/ muscle strains and that sort of thing, that there COULD be 'legitimate' medical uses for steroids to recover from injuries quicker and that sort of thing. If something like that gets out, I'm sure that there would be no shortage of physicians to 'write notes' for players...

Somewhere, probably here last year, there was some discussion that pitchers would find them very useful for this sort of quickened recovery from strains.


The bottom line is we don't know who used steroids and how they will affect those who go off of them. It's ridiculously silly to suspect steroid use on a player who lost less than 5% of his body weight.
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