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Postby LBJackal » Sat Feb 19, 2005 4:44 am

Yoda wrote:
looptid wrote:Hafner was 27 last year. Morneau was 23.

In a keeper league, I would take Morneau. Hafner had an amazing year last season, but it is probably right around his peak value, where Morneau should continue to progress for the next few seasons. Hafner is in the middle of typical peak years for hitters (27-31), while Morneau is still a few years out.

As for this season, I don't see Morneau hitting for as high an average as Hafner (or putting up a comperable on-base percentage), but 35-plus homeruns are well within reason. Morneau hit a homerun in 6.7% of his plate apperances last season. If he gets 600 plate apperances and makes no improvement on last year's pace, it would round out to 41 dingers. If the Twins are smart and place Stewart, Ford, and Mauer in front of Morneau, a .380 OBP being the worst posted among that trio last season, Morneau should have plenty of men on base for those 35+ blasts. Of course there is no guarentee that Gardenhire won't do something stupid like place Jones and Hunter among the top three spots in the order.


Two words: Josh Phelps. You have to be real careful when you start extrapolating stats.


Morneau has been touted as one of the best hitters in the minors for the past few years, if not THE best hitter in the minors. Phelps was only touted because he was a catcher, and for a catcher, he puts up good numbers. Too bad he plays DH now.
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Postby looptid » Sat Feb 19, 2005 6:08 am

We could wager something like avitars on my crazy extrapolations. I say Morneau is a lock for 35+ dingers.
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Postby Yoda » Sat Feb 19, 2005 1:04 pm

LBJackal wrote:
Morneau has been touted as one of the best hitters in the minors for the past few years, if not THE best hitter in the minors. Phelps was only touted because he was a catcher, and for a catcher, he puts up good numbers. Too bad he plays DH now.


I am not comparing Phelps to Morneau. Morneau obviously is a better prospect and more likely will have a good career. What I am trying to point out is that you can't simply extrapolate a half season's worth of stats and expect that player to perform at that level for an entire season. On an entirely different note, I think Phelps will be a pretty decent sleeper this season.

Hafner is the better, safer bet for 05. In a keeper, it's much closer but I still give Hafner the nod until Morneau shows that he can match Hafner's first full season stats.
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Postby AngelFan416 » Sat Feb 19, 2005 1:09 pm

I like them both.

I'm going with Hafner.

In a Keeper, Morneau.

Can't really go wrong with either. Both are good 1Bs.
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Postby CubsFan7724 » Sat Feb 19, 2005 1:10 pm

WittyC wrote: Plus, he had surgery in the offseason on his elbow (removing bone chips or something, but surgery is rarely a bonus).

I certainly wouldn't value Hafner over Morneau, but I could see Hafner's value being better since Morneau seems to be going earlier. If I had to pick one even up, though, Morneau would be my guy -- keeper or non!
Heh, surgery is usually a bonus because it means it wont come up again. Like tommy john surgery. And by the way, Johan had bone chips in his elbow removed last January, and look what happened? :-D
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Postby tvv44 » Sat Feb 19, 2005 5:15 pm

Hafner is the better, safer bet for 05. In a keeper, it's much closer but I still give Hafner the nod until Morneau shows that he can match Hafner's first full season stats.


Hafner is the better, safer bet for 05 IMO, but I drafted Morneau in the 7th round of a 5x5, H2H, 12 team keeper league.

I don't think you can go wrong picking either player though.
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Postby Tribe-Fan » Sat Feb 19, 2005 7:33 pm

nettles3Ball-star wrote:Any word as to whether Hafner is naturally that big and cut? I'm becoming wary of the superhero type physiques.


I read today actually that Haffner discovered something amazing this off-season, vegtables, and that his altered diet had him losing weight. Here is the blurb from today's Cleveland Plain Dealer.

"Pass the veggies:

Hafner discovered something unusual last season - vegetables.

"In spring training, I talked to our nutritionist," said Hafner, "and I started eating better"

The conversation opened his eyes.

"I used to be on what I called my caveman diet," said Hafner. "I'd go to all those steak buffets. But when I started eating vegetables, I lost about five or 10 pounds. I'd order a side of or broccli and my friends would go crazy"


I wonder if they sit around thinking this stuff up. " Hey Haff, here is a good one, tell the media you discovered you like veggies now and that you lost weight because of it. Or maybe tell them you changed your workout but are really only down 5 pounds, but that didn't work to well with Giambi last year"

I was suspect of Haffner before I read this news today. I hate being cynical like that but the guy looked like Road Warrior Hawk for petes sake.

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Postby NY Yankees Fan 2004 » Sat Feb 19, 2005 8:33 pm

I'll take Hafner. He has a much better lineup and more RBI chances.

Also he will have a higher AVG than Morneau.
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Postby Kingctb27 » Sat Feb 19, 2005 9:17 pm

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Postby Flockers » Sat Feb 19, 2005 9:19 pm

Wow, that's a cool sig, kingctb27. The guy who made that is awesome.
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