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Postby hybrid » Fri Feb 18, 2005 9:11 pm

Hey you were comparing them in one way or another, I was just pointing out their obvious difference. And yes I agree it obviously can be risky when you are extrapolating stats, not all minor leaguers who produce there go on to in the bigs.

Hafner has had only one more season then Morneau in the majors, so I really don't think of him as being any type of an established player. For all you know that could be Hafner's best year of his career.
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Postby Yoda » Fri Feb 18, 2005 10:49 pm

hybrid wrote:Hey you were comparing them in one way or another, I was just pointing out their obvious difference. And yes I agree it obviously can be risky when you are extrapolating stats, not all minor leaguers who produce there go on to in the bigs.

Hafner has had only one more season then Morneau in the majors, so I really don't think of him as being any type of an established player. For all you know that could be Hafner's best year of his career.


Well, that is really good to know. Anyone could have had his career year in 04. Therefore, let's just throw out an entire season of stats. But let's double Morneau's numbers and use that as his projection for the following season. Because obviously that is a better way to make projections than using actual numbers. Thank you for helping me understand. ;-D
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Postby hybrid » Fri Feb 18, 2005 11:04 pm

Wow, I thought you would be better then just to jump on people. Hafner is not at all an established player, but for some reason you are treating him like he is. That's the point I was making, but evidently you like to just criticize.
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Postby Yoda » Sat Feb 19, 2005 1:13 am

hybrid wrote:Wow, I thought you would be better then just to jump on people. Hafner is not at all an established player, but for some reason you are treating him like he is. That's the point I was making, but evidently you like to just criticize.


Sorry for jumping on you. My point is that Hafner is more established than Morneau.
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Postby Mustangs989 » Sat Feb 19, 2005 1:18 am

I like Hafner this year and Morneau in a keeper league, I have them right next to each other on my 1B rankings....
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Postby Jackie Treehorn » Sat Feb 19, 2005 1:26 am

I think they are very comparable in value, and therefore, not worth arguin over!!! :-D Both guys have the potential to hit 40 HR's. And I have them both on my team!!!
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Postby nikku88 » Sat Feb 19, 2005 3:03 am

I like Hafner better for this year.
I really want to see Morneau for more than half a year.
Let's not forget Kevin Mass. :-o
Really I think Morneau's going to be good, but I think he will still take a bit longer until he's a total stud.
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Postby WittyC » Sat Feb 19, 2005 3:49 am

Everyone talks about Hafner as though he's an established vet who's been tearing up the league for years! Honestly, he had one good season, and it would be a strech to say that Cleveland has a good lineup. Plus, he had surgery in the offseason on his elbow (removing bone chips or something, but surgery is rarely a bonus).

I certainly wouldn't value Hafner over Morneau, but I could see Hafner's value being better since Morneau seems to be going earlier. If I had to pick one even up, though, Morneau would be my guy -- keeper or non!
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Postby nettles3Ball-star » Sat Feb 19, 2005 3:54 am

Any word as to whether Hafner is naturally that big and cut? I'm becoming wary of the superhero type physiques.
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Postby Yoda » Sat Feb 19, 2005 4:13 am

WittyC wrote:Everyone talks about Hafner as though he's an established vet who's been tearing up the league for years! Honestly, he had one good season, and it would be a strech to say that Cleveland has a good lineup. Plus, he had surgery in the offseason on his elbow (removing bone chips or something, but surgery is rarely a bonus).

I certainly wouldn't value Hafner over Morneau, but I could see Hafner's value being better since Morneau seems to be going earlier. If I had to pick one even up, though, Morneau would be my guy -- keeper or non!


Unfortunately, even though Hafner tore up the minors, he never had the opportunity to play in TEX. 2003 was supposed to be his coming out party after getting traded to CLE and finally given the opportunity to play but he hurt his wrist. Therefore, the season was more or less lost. You are totally right in that he is not an established vet. However, he is supposed to have this type of power and he would easily have hit 30 HRs if he didn't miss the last 7 games of the season. That would effectively have put him at 30-100-.300 Stud category. Morneau's upside is just as high if not higher but right now, for the 05 season, Hafner will likely outperform Morneau in virtually every category provided Hafner doesn't miss any time.
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