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Postby perlick29 » Wed Feb 16, 2005 12:34 pm

I'm on board with hybrid as usual. I'd love to know if there were pitchers that we could all classify as "successful" for a run of even 2 years at Coors?

Jiimenez had 1 good season there as a closer, Chacon as a starter, but reallistically can anyone put back to back seasons there?
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Postby j_d_mcnugent » Wed Feb 16, 2005 12:57 pm

perlick29 wrote:I'm on board with hybrid as usual. I'd love to know if there were pitchers that we could all classify as "successful" for a run of even 2 years at Coors?

Jiimenez had 1 good season there as a closer, Chacon as a starter, but reallistically can anyone put back to back seasons there?


the only starter i can think of is pedro astacio. he had era+ of 114 and 113 in 1999 and 2000 which i guess can be construed as somewhat succesful. record of 17-11 in 99 and 12-9 in 2000 which isnt bad. strikeouts of 210 in 1999 and 193 in 2000. of course the era and whip were really ugly: 5.04,1.44 in 99 and 5.27, 1.50 in 2000.

steve reed has had several decent seasons as a reliever

http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/reedst01.shtml
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Postby j_d_mcnugent » Wed Feb 16, 2005 1:08 pm

after looking at the starters numbers for the rockies, i think you would be lucky to get a 4.50 era out of francis this year, but the longer he stays in colorado the worse he is going to be.
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Postby stumpak » Wed Feb 16, 2005 3:03 pm

Can the history of the Rockies pitching failure have as much to do with bad talent as with the altitude? Beside arguably Hampton, who have they ever had that is a truely good pitcher? Certainly Coors will effect Francis, but I am not ready to write him off based on a sample size of 1.
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