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Postby Hawg_Wild03 » Fri Feb 11, 2005 8:32 pm

Haren was a great starter through 4 innings for St. Louis, but always seeemed to lose it in the 5th or so.
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Postby fantasyfiend » Fri Feb 11, 2005 8:38 pm

5 innings = win

A's offense has been upgraded considerably.
A's bullpen has been upgraded tremendously.

now, if haren pitches good enough to make it on a "draftable sleeper pitcher" list...how does this equate to marginal win totals; with a large upgrade to an offense that was able to lead the A's to 91 victories a season ago?

and for the record i would hardly call haren a K pitcher anyway...
his minor league K #'s were strong at 8.77 but converting that number to the majors puts him just about where he is now with a career k/9 at 5.69

based off that #, if he averages 5-6 innings over the course of the year, you'll get roughly 3K's/game. (3 being "high" adding in potential/progression)

If we wanted to find some real K sleepers we could do alot better than haren.

Haren is more aptly a "win" sleeper than a "K" sleeper.
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Postby lbbaseball14 » Sat Feb 12, 2005 10:12 am

RICK ANKIEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Postby JGreer » Sat Feb 12, 2005 12:10 pm

fantasyfiend wrote:
j_d_mcnugent wrote:haren in oakland might get around 150k depending on his innings. not so sure he will have a high win total though.


yea? why is that?


Oakland, IMO will be lucky to win 80 games
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Postby brandnew » Sat Feb 12, 2005 5:14 pm

They'll be lucky because their ROTATION is so young. Their offense was not traded away this offseason, but rather got better with the addition of Kendall at the top of the rotation. Hudson & Mulder have nothing to do with Haren getting less wins.
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Postby Joe Mauer » Sun Feb 13, 2005 12:51 am

Absolutely Adequate wrote:Kelvim Escobar will go pretty late and could get 175 strikeouts. Kevin Millwood will outperform his draft position and get 150-160.
Derek Lowe will sneak 130-140 and his era will help out.


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Postby sappisgod » Sun Feb 13, 2005 1:57 am

fantasyfiend wrote:5 innings = win

A's offense has been upgraded considerably.
A's bullpen has been upgraded tremendously.

now, if haren pitches good enough to make it on a "draftable sleeper pitcher" list...how does this equate to marginal win totals; with a large upgrade to an offense that was able to lead the A's to 91 victories a season ago?

and for the record i would hardly call haren a K pitcher anyway...
his minor league K #'s were strong at 8.77 but converting that number to the majors puts him just about where he is now with a career k/9 at 5.69

based off that #, if he averages 5-6 innings over the course of the year, you'll get roughly 3K's/game. (3 being "high" adding in potential/progression)

If we wanted to find some real K sleepers we could do alot better than haren.

Haren is more aptly a "win" sleeper than a "K" sleeper.


Upgraded considerably? No. Seattle considerably upgraded their offense. I like Kendall and Kotsay, but it's not that much of an improvement.
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Postby Hawg_Wild03 » Sun Feb 13, 2005 1:57 am

I second Rick Ankiel.

Morris won't be back until July, but Ankiel won't be giving up his spot.
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Postby Niffoc4 » Sun Feb 13, 2005 2:14 am

Haren might have trouble getting wins cuz he will only pitch into the fifth or the sixth, and surprisingly enough, a lot of games are decided in the later innings...
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Postby Pedantic » Sun Feb 13, 2005 2:28 am

sappisgod wrote:
fantasyfiend wrote:5 innings = win

A's offense has been upgraded considerably.
A's bullpen has been upgraded tremendously.

now, if haren pitches good enough to make it on a "draftable sleeper pitcher" list...how does this equate to marginal win totals; with a large upgrade to an offense that was able to lead the A's to 91 victories a season ago?

and for the record i would hardly call haren a K pitcher anyway...
his minor league K #'s were strong at 8.77 but converting that number to the majors puts him just about where he is now with a career k/9 at 5.69

based off that #, if he averages 5-6 innings over the course of the year, you'll get roughly 3K's/game. (3 being "high" adding in potential/progression)

If we wanted to find some real K sleepers we could do alot better than haren.

Haren is more aptly a "win" sleeper than a "K" sleeper.


Upgraded considerably? No. Seattle considerably upgraded their offense. I like Kendall and Kotsay, but it's not that much of an improvement.


Ah, but Oak-town's offense wasn't in such a sorry state before their acquisition of Kendall. I think you're underestimating the effect Kendall could have at the top of the order. Their offense will be better than advertised.
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