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Postby Pogotheostrich » Wed Feb 09, 2005 3:32 pm

Pogotheostrich: Detroit? I didn't know they still had a team.
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Postby LBJackal » Wed Feb 09, 2005 3:43 pm

pmacxx2 wrote:Look at their last years and tell me how Rusch is a similar pitcher to Clement.

Matt Clement:
2002 ChC 32 32 3 2 205.0 162 84 82 18 85 215 12 11 0 0 -- 3.60
2003 ChC 32 32 2 1 201.2 169 100 92 22 79 171 14 12 0 0 -- 4.11
2004 ChC 30 30 0 0 181.0 155 79 74 23 77 190 9 13 0 0 -- 3.68

Glendon Rusch:
2002 Mil 34 34 4 1 210.2 227 118 110 30 76 140 10 16 0 0 -- 4.70
2003 Mil 32 19 1 0 123.1 171 93 88 11 45 93 1 12 1 7 0 6.42
2004 ChC 32 16 0 0 129.2 127 54 50 10 33 90 6 2 2 3 0 3.47

How can you compare the ERA of a swingman who only started 16 games last year to a starter who started 30 games and only had a .21 difference in ERA? That's ridiculous.

Rusch had been an annual disappointment until he found some success last year, while Clement over the last 3 years has shown an ability to pitch near 200 innings with very respectable ratios. Take Clement out of Wrigley and give him some run support and he could really blossom. Over the last 3 years on the Cubs it could be argued that at times Clement had the best "stuff." I think he will step forward in Boston this year in a big way.


Clement walks way too many, always has. He's good, I'm not denying that, but I don't think he has the potential for an ERA below 3.75 in Boston. Rusch's potential is about 4.20 which isn't good, but it's serviceable. I've looked into this a lot (pitcher projections that is; not just Clement and Rusch obviously). It's not like I don't know how good Rusch and Clement have been in their careers. Clement is better, but like I said in my last post, not enough to pay him $8M+ per season and waste Rusch in long relief, when he's one of the best #5 starters in baseball.
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Postby pmacxx2 » Wed Feb 09, 2005 4:01 pm

I understand your argument is based more around his price tag ($8 mil) than production, but let's face it - you've got to pay for quality. Where is Rusch's track record for success? There is none. Last year was the first successful year in his career. I'd rather pay for Clement's production (especially in this case, because no one can argue that the Cubs or Red Sox couldn't afford that kind of money) than roll the dice on a historically below average Glendon Rusch.
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Postby WittyC » Wed Feb 09, 2005 4:16 pm

Let's not forget, the job doesn't belong to Rusch yet. He had a good year as a fill-in, but the guy they've been grooming to make the jump is Sergio Garcia. He hasn't been good in the majors so far, but I'd wager that the Cubs will give him a shot in ST.
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Postby The Cow » Wed Feb 09, 2005 4:28 pm

A quick look at the "improved" Cubs:

Lets look at all the areas they "improved"

Infield is the same as last year

SP- Lost Clement replaced with the time bomb that is Glendon Rusch, they lose here. I think this move had alot to do with Clement and Dusty not seeing eye to eye.

RP- Same closer situation, which is a big????????? Lost Farnsworth whi is replacable. Slight loss here, but I will say it is a push.

OF- Lost Sosa and Alou, replaced with Hairston and the .240 hitter Burnitz. Big loss here.

$$$$- They saved money HOORAY for them, I bet it makes all the Cubs fans happy that they are saving money that could have been used on an upgraded to the team.

So in summary this team did not improve they took a step backwards. The only way this team is improved is IF Wood and Prior are healthy all year.

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Postby Cornbread Maxwell » Wed Feb 09, 2005 4:42 pm

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Just for shites and giggles I went back through this thread and counted up all the posts having to deal with the Cubs as the central topic and the ones that had to do with the Tigers.
28-2. Seriously. And no more than two of those posts that centered around the Cubs talked about Novoa.

What team got the bigger name again?

I guess I just cant escape the Redsux/Yankmes/SCrubs overflow regardless of what happens.

28-2. :-t
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Postby LBJackal » Wed Feb 09, 2005 4:44 pm

Hey, I mentioned Novoa, do I get a prize? :-D
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Postby The Cow » Wed Feb 09, 2005 4:44 pm

How about those Tigers!!!!!!!!! :-B They have a shot at 2nd in the Central, right behind the mighty Tribe!!!

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Postby AcidRock23 » Wed Feb 09, 2005 4:47 pm

I will start running my yap about Novoa when I see him pitch!!

I don't follow the minors enough to really say much about them, other than that I've been hearing about Angel Guzman for a while now, w/o seeing much in the way of results. Hopefully, Novoa will turn out to be a kick ass closer and will turn things around in Wrigleyville. I'm going to attempt to restrain my urges to bet on the Cubs this year for a while though...
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Postby AcidRock23 » Wed Feb 09, 2005 5:12 pm

hmmmm.....


"Novoa split time between Detroit and Double-A Erie in 2004. In 16 games with the Tigers, the right-hander was 1-1 with a 5.57 ERA."



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