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Postby williesd » Sat Feb 05, 2005 1:49 am

Most people think that Rivera is a better fantasy closer.
I figure Rivera will probably get 50 saves and around 60 K's
Lidge will get you 43 saves and around 135 K's

O.K. Rivera will give you around 7 more saves but your losing about 75 K's.............Hello Am I Blind or what?
I might even put K-Rod over Rivera...In fact I do....
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Postby so0perspam » Sat Feb 05, 2005 1:50 am

I'd rank 'em:
Lidge
Rivera
K-Rod
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Postby Zito is God » Sat Feb 05, 2005 1:51 am

Lidge has neevr gone a full season as a closer and people are concerned he cannot handle the workload. Given that his arm doesn't break down I expect ridiculous numbers from Lidge, his slider is absolutely flithy, his K rate should be as good as a starters. 150 K's sound about right.
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Postby GoatLocker » Sat Feb 05, 2005 1:52 am

I tend to not be at all objective when it comes to Rivera.
I'm just not a Rivera fan and keep waiting for the downturn to occur.

I really think there is a huge ceiling with Lidge and expect him to be one of the top 5 closers this year.

I'd go with Lidge.
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Postby CrimeDog » Sat Feb 05, 2005 1:52 am

I wouldn't put K-Rod over Rivera just yet, but I'd probably take Lidge over Rivera at this point. I was wondering how you know that Lidge is gonna have 43 saves, if you have some insider info please share :-D
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Postby San D » Sat Feb 05, 2005 1:54 am

Gagne and Lidge are my top 2 closers based on K's. K-Rod and Rivera is a tough call for me. I like K-Rod's strikeout ratios better, but its comforting having Rivera on your team (except when playing the Red Sox) due to production year in and year out.
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Postby ramble2 » Sat Feb 05, 2005 3:49 am

Projecting saves is tricky. Last year we had discussions about this in the off-season too. Bad teams can still be good sources of saves, for example. Last year a lot of us kept pushing F. Cordero as a good closer to target. The lesson? Target the closer, don't worry so much about the team he plays on.

Projecting 50 saves for any closer is nuts. It's only happened 10 times in MLB history. Granted, all 10 have occurred since 1990, but that doesn't justify projecting any one particular closer to reach 50 (though you might project that some closer will reach 50).

The point is that it's really not worth ranking one closer over another because you project them to 7 more saves. Closers of Lidge and Rivera's caliber are likely to end up with a similar number of saves. Rank them based on their other numbers. I like Lidge better, due to his Ks.
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Postby giants8307 » Sat Feb 05, 2005 4:24 am

ramble2 wrote:Projecting saves is tricky. Last year we had discussions about this in the off-season too. Bad teams can still be good sources of saves, for example. Last year a lot of us kept pushing F. Cordero as a good closer to target. The lesson? Target the closer, don't worry so much about the team he plays on.

Projecting 50 saves for any closer is nuts. It's only happened 10 times in MLB history. Granted, all 10 have occurred since 1990, but that doesn't justify projecting any one particular closer to reach 50 (though you might project that some closer will reach 50).

The point is that it's really not worth ranking one closer over another because you project them to 7 more saves. Closers of Lidge and Rivera's caliber are likely to end up with a similar number of saves. Rank them based on their other numbers. I like Lidge better, due to his Ks.


Agreed. I put lidge very close to gagne in my rankings this year due to his incredible amount of k's. Actually, i wouldn't be surprised at all if Lidge were the best closer this year, but I have to take gagne first as he has a long track record.
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Postby The Jury » Sat Feb 05, 2005 12:33 pm

ESPN has a save opps chart that they keep from the past few years. I've checked it out before, does anyone have the link to it?
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Postby RynMan » Sat Feb 05, 2005 4:46 pm

I would want Lidge
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