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Postby kemper5 » Thu Apr 20, 2006 12:16 pm

nuggets wrote:You guys who are posting the pitching stats are missing the big kahuna

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nuggets wrote:Here is one for us to chew on. In 1884 Charley Radbourn pitched:

678.7 innings (omnipotent weight to era and whip)
1.38 ERA
0.920 WHIP
441 K
59 wins.

That might wins 4 cats alone. 8-o


Haaaa. That is great.. Along with him.. Here is another.. This is getting great..

ROOKIE YEAR!

Matt Kilroy - 1886

29 W, 583 IP, 66 CG, 513 K's 8-o :-° :-B , 68 Games.. 66 COMPLETE GAMES in 68 TRY'S
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Postby bigh0rt » Thu Apr 20, 2006 12:16 pm

Foul Pops wrote:A friend of mine and I came up with a fun and interesting fantasy draft. We enacted the "in-our-lifetime" rule, or at least the "since-we-paid-attention" rule, and made all players available from 1980 to current day. We were drafting a team of 2 C, 2 1b, 2 2b, 2 3b, 2 SS, 5 OF, 2 DH/UTIL, 6 SP, 4 RP. You were allowed to pick what year you wanted a given players stats. Once a player went off the board, he was gone - I couldn't take 2000 Pedro after he took 1999 Pedro. The result was so much fun, I figured it would interest some of the baseball buffs on this board. I am listed as 'G'. He is 'C'. It certainly opened my eyes to alot of great seasons by individuals that I had totally forgotten about.


So... here are the results of our Ultimate Fantasy Draft, 1980-2005. Complete with analysis.



Round 1
G: 1985 Dwight Gooden
C: 1999 Manny Ramirez
Analysis: To start, we are just grasping, trying to remember the outstanding individual years of our time. Gooden’s 24 wins, 268 Ks, 1.53 ERA, and 0.96 ERA were just sick. Manny’s 165 RBI year is unmatchable.

Round 2
G: 1997 Mike Piazza
C: 1998 Sammy Sosa
Analysis: I start thinking about trying to gobble up the players who have no peer at their position. My guess is there is no catcher close to Mike Piazza’s 1997 (.362 / 40 / 124). Sosa’s 66 HR and 158 RBI puts me in a serious hole with RBI.

Round 3
G: 2001 Barry Bonds
C: 1999 Ivan Rodriguez
Analysis: Even though I doubt he will take a 3rd straight outfielder to start the draft, I can’t leave Bonds and his 73 HR on the table. He answers my Piazza pick with Pudge (.332 / 35 / 113 / and 25 SB !! ). I had totally forgot Rodriguez had a year that good.

Round 4
G: 1999 Pedro Martinez
C: 2003 Eric Gagne
Analysis: Looking to take a stranglehold in the pitching department, I team Gooden with Pedro (sick – 23 wins, 313 Ks, 2.07 ERA, 0.92 WHIP). Pedro’s WHIP was a ridiculous 0.717 in ’00, but the wins and Ks were better in ’99. He goes Gagne to take the drivers seat with closers – hard to match 55 saves, 1.20 ERA, 0.69 WHIP – and 137 Ks from your closer.

Round 5
G: 1988 Jose Canseco
C: 2001 Randy Johnson
Analysis: Time to scoop up the 40-40 guys. Canseco hit 42 HR and stole 40 bases in ’88. But so much for my pitching advantage. Hindsight tells me Randy Johnson’s 372 Ks give him a huge advantage over Gooden and Pedro, even though the rest of his numbers are slightly worse.

Round 6
G: 1990 Dennis Eckersley
C: 1980 Steve Carlton
Analysis: Trying to keep pace with Gagne, I go with ’90 Eck, who walked 4 batters THE ENTIRE YEAR. Only allowed 5 runs. The saves (48) are lower than I would have liked, but the ERA (0.61) and WHIP (0.61) are obscene. Carlton gets him wins (24) and Ks (286), but the WHIP (1.10) makes this pick a bit of a reach. Hard to believe we would be saying that about a 1.10 WHIP.

Round 7
G: 1998 Alex Rodriguez
C: 1987 Eric Davis
Analysis: I strike the first blow for shortstops, taking ARod’s 40-40 year (42 HR, 46 SB), over his .358, 141 run year in 1996. Also passed on 2002 ARod, who hit 57 HR and drove in 142 runs. The Eric Davis pick is one he would later regret. The 37 HR, 50 SB combo is sexy, but that .293 average is a killer in this game.

Round 8
G: 1998 Mark McGwire
C: 1980 George Brett
Analysis: Homerun for my team. I’ll take the hit on McGwire’s .299 average, because I get 70 HR to go with my 73 HR Bonds. Can’t believe McGwire lasted this long. For the second straight round, he slips up by taking ’80 Brett. He was mesmerized by the .390 average, neglecting the lack of HR (24) or SB (12) presence. Especially with better 3rd basemen out there.

Round 9
G: 2004 Adrian Beltre
C: 1997 Roger Clemens
Analysis: My first sleeper pick. I almost felt dirty taking Beltre’s flash-in-the-pan year over my childhood favorite Mike Schmidt, but who can pass up on .334 / 48 / 121? Schmidt never had that kind of average. Clemens gives him his 3rd stud starter (21 wins, 292 Ks, 2.05 ERA). Hard to believe his best statistical year was in Toronto.

Round 10
G: 1996 John Smoltz
C: 1995 Greg Maddux
Analysis: When I looked at the Braves big 3, I was shocked to see Smoltz had the best single year, His 24 win, 276 K, 2.94 ERA, 1.001 WHIP season in ’96 puts me back in control at SP. The Maddux pick is solid with ERA (1.63) and WHIP (0.8111), but the 19 wins sets him back in that department.

Round 11
G: 1997 Larry Walker
C: 2002 Alfonso Soriano
Analysis: ’97 Walker should have been a top 3 pick. He may have the best fantasy season EVER - .366, 143 runs, 49 HR, 130 RBI, 33 SB. Wow. Soriano (39 HR, 41 SB, .300 avg) is a good pick at 2b, but not necessarily better than the 2b that are still available. Again, his average takes a hit.

Round 12
G: 2000 Todd Helton
C: 2001 Luis Gonzalez
Analysis: I went back-to-back Rockies on him. Helton’s .372, 138 runs, 42 HR, 147 RBI is Walker without the steals. Sick fantasy season. I have taken a stranglehold on batting average. Luis Gonzalez and his 57 HR season helps him in the power department.

Round 13
G: 1990 Bobby Thigpen
C: 2002 Curt Schilling
Analysis: I try to climb back in the save category by taking Thigpen’s 57 save season. After looking at other top closers, his ERA (1.83) and WHIP (1.038) aren’t as bad as I originally thought. But the Ks go bye-bye on me, when he takes Schilling and his 316 K season. He took an ERA hit (3.23) by taking ’02 Schill over ’01 Schill (22 wins, 293 Ks, 2.98 ERA).

Round 14
G: 1998 Trevor Hoffman
C: 1997 Ken Griffey, Jr.
Analysis: He complains that he was about to take Hoffman (53 saves, 1.48 ERA, 0.849 WHIP). Instead, he lands another high 50 HR outfielder, ignoring Griffey’s .304 avergae, and taking his 56 HR and 147 RBI.

Round 15
G: 2002 Vladimir Guerrero
C: 2004 Miguel Tejada
Analysis: I close the book on 40-40 guys (or close to 40-40) by taking Vlad and his .336 / 39 / 111 / 40 season. Trying to piece meal steals rather than take the batting average hit that Rickey Henderson or Vince Coleman brings. Tejada’s 150 RBI season is unrivaled at shortstop. I have a long road back in the RBI department.

Round 16
G: 2003 Albert Pujols
C: 1985 Rickey Henderson
Analysis: Pujols (.359 / 137 / 43 / 124) fills my first DH spot, and takes another top notch 1st basemen off the market. He takes the Rickey plunge, but not the one we anticipated. The whole time, we had been blinded by Rickey’s 130 SB season, where his .267 average was too much of an anchor to take on. We had both – until this point – neglected his 80 SB season in ’85, where his other numbers (.314 avg., 146 runs) were much more appetizing. This puts me in a stolen base deficit and leads me to start thinking of every Miguel Dilone and Omar Moreno out there. 1983 Tim Raines .298 avg with 90 steals looks most promising.

Round 17
G: 1998 Juan Gonzalez
C: 2004 Mariano Rivera
Analysis: I probably should have grabbed Rivera first, because his 53 save season cancels out my Hoffman pick-up. Instead I land Juan Gone and his .318 / 45 / 157. My OF spots are now filled.

Round 18
G: 2000 Jeff Kent
C: 2003 Javy Lopez
Analysis: This would prove to be my worst round, one that almost cost me the game. Kent’s .334 / 33 / 125 looked sweet; I would later be proved foolish. And all along we were thinking that all the quality catchers were gone when Piazza and Pudge left, and he dropped a Javy 41 HR bomb on me. What odds do I have on finding a 2nd catcher who hit .328 with 43 jacks?

Round 19
G: 1989 Bret Saberhagen
C: 2001 Bret Boone
Analysis: I take one step closer to pitching domination with Saberhagen’s 23 wins, 2.16 ERA, and 0.961 WHIP. He makes my Kent pick look stupid when he takes Boone, who’s .331 / 37 / 141 is actually better than Kent. Oops.

Round 20
G: 1996 Kenny Lofton
C: 1993 Randy Myers
Analysis: Yes! I found my answer to Rickey. After looking at all the Dave Collins and Willie Wilsons of the world, I found Lofton’s diamond in the rough season (.317, 132 runs, 14 HR, 67 RBI, 75 SB). He basically gives up on ERA (3.11) and WHIP (1.21), just to get Myers’ 53 saves.

Round 21
G: 1999 Derek Jeter
C: 1999 Nomar Garciaparra
Analysis: Both of us complete our SS position. As much as I hated picking Jeter over old school studs like ’82 Robin Yount (.331 / 129 / 29 / 114 / 14) and ’87 Alan Trammell (.343 / 109 / 28 / 105 / 21), his 134 runs gave me a decided advantage, and there wasn’t much difference in HR (24) and SB (19). ’99 Nomar (.357 / 103 / 27 / 104 / 14) was almost a duplicate copy of Jeter’s numbers, except for the runs.

Round 22
G: 1986 Mike Scott
C: 1980 Mike Schmidt
Analysis: My bid to get back in the strikeout hunt. I took on Mike Scott’s paltry 18 wins, to reap the benefits of his 306 Ks. His ERA (2.22) and WHIP (0.923) weren’t too shabby either. With my opponent already out of the batting average race, he has no qualms taking on Schmidt’s .286, instead enjoying the 48 HR, 121 RBI upside.

Round 23
G: 2004 Armando Benitez
C: 1983 Dan Quisenberry
Analysis: I finish out my RPs by taking Benitez one year stint in Florida. Love the 47 saves, 1.29 ERA, and 0.818 WHIP. He answers with Quisenberry (45 saves), who wins him the saves category by one measley save.

Round 24
G: 2000 Charles Johnson
C: 1999 Jeff Bagwell
Analysis: Believe it or not, I actually considered Mike Lieberthal and his .300 / 30 HR season. I couldn’t absorb Todd Hundley’s (.259 avg, 41 HR), so I went Rockies and took Charles Johnson (.304 / 31 / 91). That was the best I could do. Jeff Bagwell gives him run support (143 runs) to go with everything else (.304 / 42 / 126).

Round 25
G: 1998 Vinny Castilla
C: 2002 Jim Thome
Analysis: I finish out my 3b spot by taking Castilla (.319 / 108 / 46 / 144 / 5) over ’96 Caminiti (.326 / 109 / 40 / 130 / 1) and ’99 Chipper (.319 / 116 / 45 / 110 / 25). He adds Thome (.304 / 52 / 118) to Bagwell at 1b.

Round 26
G: 1988 Frank Viola
C: 1996 Kevin Brown
Analysis: Down to our final two picks. Now it gets interesting. We each have one SP left. If I make a run at Ks, with ’89 Nolan Ryan (16 wins, 301 Ks), I leave the door open for ’90 Bob Welch (27 wins) to beat me in wins. I take the safe route. ’88 Viola (24 wins, 2.64 ERA, 1.136 WHIP, 193 Ks) seals the win category. His ’96 Kevin Brown response (17 wins, 1.89 ERA, 0.944 WHIP) is an unsuccessful attempt to make up the difference in WHIP and ERA. I win three pitching categories, lose two.

Round 27
G: 1996 Chuck Knoblauch
C: 1996 Ellis Burks
Analysis: I have to pick a 2nd baseman, he has a DH spot. I go into the pick with a healthy lead in avg, trailing in RBI (-11), leading in runs (+28) and homeruns (+16), and tied in SB. Taking ’90 Ryne Sandberg (116 runs, 40 HR, 100 RBI, 25 SB), or even ’85 Ryne Sandberg (113 runs, 26 HR, 83 RBI, 54 SB), leaves me open to get caught in two categories. My only choice in ’96 Knoblauch (.341 / 140 runs / 13 HR / 45 SB), who locks up runs, and either HR or SB. His Burks pick gives him the edge in HR, but doesn’t catch me in steals. He needed a 31 HR, 46 SB guy – none of which were left. I win three offensive categories, and take the overall title, 6-4.


Hey! GREAT read! Welcome to the Cafe! Looks like you've got a lot to bring to the table. Man, I really enjoyed reading that. ;-D
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Postby Omaha Red Sox » Thu Apr 20, 2006 12:41 pm

Foul Pops wrote:A friend of mine and I came up with a fun and interesting fantasy draft. We enacted the "in-our-lifetime" rule, or at least the "since-we-paid-attention" rule, and made all players available from 1980 to current day. We were drafting a team of 2 C, 2 1b, 2 2b, 2 3b, 2 SS, 5 OF, 2 DH/UTIL, 6 SP, 4 RP. You were allowed to pick what year you wanted a given players stats. Once a player went off the board, he was gone - I couldn't take 2000 Pedro after he took 1999 Pedro. The result was so much fun, I figured it would interest some of the baseball buffs on this board. I am listed as 'G'. He is 'C'. It certainly opened my eyes to alot of great seasons by individuals that I had totally forgotten about.


So... here are the results of our Ultimate Fantasy Draft, 1980-2005. Complete with analysis.



Round 1
G: 1985 Dwight Gooden
C: 1999 Manny Ramirez
Analysis: To start, we are just grasping, trying to remember the outstanding individual years of our time. Gooden’s 24 wins, 268 Ks, 1.53 ERA, and 0.96 ERA were just sick. Manny’s 165 RBI year is unmatchable.

Round 2
G: 1997 Mike Piazza
C: 1998 Sammy Sosa
Analysis: I start thinking about trying to gobble up the players who have no peer at their position. My guess is there is no catcher close to Mike Piazza’s 1997 (.362 / 40 / 124). Sosa’s 66 HR and 158 RBI puts me in a serious hole with RBI.

Round 3
G: 2001 Barry Bonds
C: 1999 Ivan Rodriguez
Analysis: Even though I doubt he will take a 3rd straight outfielder to start the draft, I can’t leave Bonds and his 73 HR on the table. He answers my Piazza pick with Pudge (.332 / 35 / 113 / and 25 SB !! ). I had totally forgot Rodriguez had a year that good.

Round 4
G: 1999 Pedro Martinez
C: 2003 Eric Gagne
Analysis: Looking to take a stranglehold in the pitching department, I team Gooden with Pedro (sick – 23 wins, 313 Ks, 2.07 ERA, 0.92 WHIP). Pedro’s WHIP was a ridiculous 0.717 in ’00, but the wins and Ks were better in ’99. He goes Gagne to take the drivers seat with closers – hard to match 55 saves, 1.20 ERA, 0.69 WHIP – and 137 Ks from your closer.

Round 5
G: 1988 Jose Canseco
C: 2001 Randy Johnson
Analysis: Time to scoop up the 40-40 guys. Canseco hit 42 HR and stole 40 bases in ’88. But so much for my pitching advantage. Hindsight tells me Randy Johnson’s 372 Ks give him a huge advantage over Gooden and Pedro, even though the rest of his numbers are slightly worse.

Round 6
G: 1990 Dennis Eckersley
C: 1980 Steve Carlton
Analysis: Trying to keep pace with Gagne, I go with ’90 Eck, who walked 4 batters THE ENTIRE YEAR. Only allowed 5 runs. The saves (48) are lower than I would have liked, but the ERA (0.61) and WHIP (0.61) are obscene. Carlton gets him wins (24) and Ks (286), but the WHIP (1.10) makes this pick a bit of a reach. Hard to believe we would be saying that about a 1.10 WHIP.

Round 7
G: 1998 Alex Rodriguez
C: 1987 Eric Davis
Analysis: I strike the first blow for shortstops, taking ARod’s 40-40 year (42 HR, 46 SB), over his .358, 141 run year in 1996. Also passed on 2002 ARod, who hit 57 HR and drove in 142 runs. The Eric Davis pick is one he would later regret. The 37 HR, 50 SB combo is sexy, but that .293 average is a killer in this game.

Round 8
G: 1998 Mark McGwire
C: 1980 George Brett
Analysis: Homerun for my team. I’ll take the hit on McGwire’s .299 average, because I get 70 HR to go with my 73 HR Bonds. Can’t believe McGwire lasted this long. For the second straight round, he slips up by taking ’80 Brett. He was mesmerized by the .390 average, neglecting the lack of HR (24) or SB (12) presence. Especially with better 3rd basemen out there.

Round 9
G: 2004 Adrian Beltre
C: 1997 Roger Clemens
Analysis: My first sleeper pick. I almost felt dirty taking Beltre’s flash-in-the-pan year over my childhood favorite Mike Schmidt, but who can pass up on .334 / 48 / 121? Schmidt never had that kind of average. Clemens gives him his 3rd stud starter (21 wins, 292 Ks, 2.05 ERA). Hard to believe his best statistical year was in Toronto.

Round 10
G: 1996 John Smoltz
C: 1995 Greg Maddux
Analysis: When I looked at the Braves big 3, I was shocked to see Smoltz had the best single year, His 24 win, 276 K, 2.94 ERA, 1.001 WHIP season in ’96 puts me back in control at SP. The Maddux pick is solid with ERA (1.63) and WHIP (0.8111), but the 19 wins sets him back in that department.

Round 11
G: 1997 Larry Walker
C: 2002 Alfonso Soriano
Analysis: ’97 Walker should have been a top 3 pick. He may have the best fantasy season EVER - .366, 143 runs, 49 HR, 130 RBI, 33 SB. Wow. Soriano (39 HR, 41 SB, .300 avg) is a good pick at 2b, but not necessarily better than the 2b that are still available. Again, his average takes a hit.

Round 12
G: 2000 Todd Helton
C: 2001 Luis Gonzalez
Analysis: I went back-to-back Rockies on him. Helton’s .372, 138 runs, 42 HR, 147 RBI is Walker without the steals. Sick fantasy season. I have taken a stranglehold on batting average. Luis Gonzalez and his 57 HR season helps him in the power department.

Round 13
G: 1990 Bobby Thigpen
C: 2002 Curt Schilling
Analysis: I try to climb back in the save category by taking Thigpen’s 57 save season. After looking at other top closers, his ERA (1.83) and WHIP (1.038) aren’t as bad as I originally thought. But the Ks go bye-bye on me, when he takes Schilling and his 316 K season. He took an ERA hit (3.23) by taking ’02 Schill over ’01 Schill (22 wins, 293 Ks, 2.98 ERA).

Round 14
G: 1998 Trevor Hoffman
C: 1997 Ken Griffey, Jr.
Analysis: He complains that he was about to take Hoffman (53 saves, 1.48 ERA, 0.849 WHIP). Instead, he lands another high 50 HR outfielder, ignoring Griffey’s .304 avergae, and taking his 56 HR and 147 RBI.

Round 15
G: 2002 Vladimir Guerrero
C: 2004 Miguel Tejada
Analysis: I close the book on 40-40 guys (or close to 40-40) by taking Vlad and his .336 / 39 / 111 / 40 season. Trying to piece meal steals rather than take the batting average hit that Rickey Henderson or Vince Coleman brings. Tejada’s 150 RBI season is unrivaled at shortstop. I have a long road back in the RBI department.

Round 16
G: 2003 Albert Pujols
C: 1985 Rickey Henderson
Analysis: Pujols (.359 / 137 / 43 / 124) fills my first DH spot, and takes another top notch 1st basemen off the market. He takes the Rickey plunge, but not the one we anticipated. The whole time, we had been blinded by Rickey’s 130 SB season, where his .267 average was too much of an anchor to take on. We had both – until this point – neglected his 80 SB season in ’85, where his other numbers (.314 avg., 146 runs) were much more appetizing. This puts me in a stolen base deficit and leads me to start thinking of every Miguel Dilone and Omar Moreno out there. 1983 Tim Raines .298 avg with 90 steals looks most promising.

Round 17
G: 1998 Juan Gonzalez
C: 2004 Mariano Rivera
Analysis: I probably should have grabbed Rivera first, because his 53 save season cancels out my Hoffman pick-up. Instead I land Juan Gone and his .318 / 45 / 157. My OF spots are now filled.

Round 18
G: 2000 Jeff Kent
C: 2003 Javy Lopez
Analysis: This would prove to be my worst round, one that almost cost me the game. Kent’s .334 / 33 / 125 looked sweet; I would later be proved foolish. And all along we were thinking that all the quality catchers were gone when Piazza and Pudge left, and he dropped a Javy 41 HR bomb on me. What odds do I have on finding a 2nd catcher who hit .328 with 43 jacks?

Round 19
G: 1989 Bret Saberhagen
C: 2001 Bret Boone
Analysis: I take one step closer to pitching domination with Saberhagen’s 23 wins, 2.16 ERA, and 0.961 WHIP. He makes my Kent pick look stupid when he takes Boone, who’s .331 / 37 / 141 is actually better than Kent. Oops.

Round 20
G: 1996 Kenny Lofton
C: 1993 Randy Myers
Analysis: Yes! I found my answer to Rickey. After looking at all the Dave Collins and Willie Wilsons of the world, I found Lofton’s diamond in the rough season (.317, 132 runs, 14 HR, 67 RBI, 75 SB). He basically gives up on ERA (3.11) and WHIP (1.21), just to get Myers’ 53 saves.

Round 21
G: 1999 Derek Jeter
C: 1999 Nomar Garciaparra
Analysis: Both of us complete our SS position. As much as I hated picking Jeter over old school studs like ’82 Robin Yount (.331 / 129 / 29 / 114 / 14) and ’87 Alan Trammell (.343 / 109 / 28 / 105 / 21), his 134 runs gave me a decided advantage, and there wasn’t much difference in HR (24) and SB (19). ’99 Nomar (.357 / 103 / 27 / 104 / 14) was almost a duplicate copy of Jeter’s numbers, except for the runs.

Round 22
G: 1986 Mike Scott
C: 1980 Mike Schmidt
Analysis: My bid to get back in the strikeout hunt. I took on Mike Scott’s paltry 18 wins, to reap the benefits of his 306 Ks. His ERA (2.22) and WHIP (0.923) weren’t too shabby either. With my opponent already out of the batting average race, he has no qualms taking on Schmidt’s .286, instead enjoying the 48 HR, 121 RBI upside.

Round 23
G: 2004 Armando Benitez
C: 1983 Dan Quisenberry
Analysis: I finish out my RPs by taking Benitez one year stint in Florida. Love the 47 saves, 1.29 ERA, and 0.818 WHIP. He answers with Quisenberry (45 saves), who wins him the saves category by one measley save.

Round 24
G: 2000 Charles Johnson
C: 1999 Jeff Bagwell
Analysis: Believe it or not, I actually considered Mike Lieberthal and his .300 / 30 HR season. I couldn’t absorb Todd Hundley’s (.259 avg, 41 HR), so I went Rockies and took Charles Johnson (.304 / 31 / 91). That was the best I could do. Jeff Bagwell gives him run support (143 runs) to go with everything else (.304 / 42 / 126).

Round 25
G: 1998 Vinny Castilla
C: 2002 Jim Thome
Analysis: I finish out my 3b spot by taking Castilla (.319 / 108 / 46 / 144 / 5) over ’96 Caminiti (.326 / 109 / 40 / 130 / 1) and ’99 Chipper (.319 / 116 / 45 / 110 / 25). He adds Thome (.304 / 52 / 118) to Bagwell at 1b.

Round 26
G: 1988 Frank Viola
C: 1996 Kevin Brown
Analysis: Down to our final two picks. Now it gets interesting. We each have one SP left. If I make a run at Ks, with ’89 Nolan Ryan (16 wins, 301 Ks), I leave the door open for ’90 Bob Welch (27 wins) to beat me in wins. I take the safe route. ’88 Viola (24 wins, 2.64 ERA, 1.136 WHIP, 193 Ks) seals the win category. His ’96 Kevin Brown response (17 wins, 1.89 ERA, 0.944 WHIP) is an unsuccessful attempt to make up the difference in WHIP and ERA. I win three pitching categories, lose two.

Round 27
G: 1996 Chuck Knoblauch
C: 1996 Ellis Burks
Analysis: I have to pick a 2nd baseman, he has a DH spot. I go into the pick with a healthy lead in avg, trailing in RBI (-11), leading in runs (+28) and homeruns (+16), and tied in SB. Taking ’90 Ryne Sandberg (116 runs, 40 HR, 100 RBI, 25 SB), or even ’85 Ryne Sandberg (113 runs, 26 HR, 83 RBI, 54 SB), leaves me open to get caught in two categories. My only choice in ’96 Knoblauch (.341 / 140 runs / 13 HR / 45 SB), who locks up runs, and either HR or SB. His Burks pick gives him the edge in HR, but doesn’t catch me in steals. He needed a 31 HR, 46 SB guy – none of which were left. I win three offensive categories, and take the overall title, 6-4.


That is awesome. We did something very similar to that a few years back with football. Complete starting rosters, 4 of us guys, but no resources. We went completely off of memory, best seasons by what players. Pretty tough, but really fun. I got 2nd.
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Postby nuggets » Thu Apr 20, 2006 12:50 pm

^ I'm in the process of drafting a three league (+NFL, NBL) all-time (5-year peak + career) draft which we work on when we go fishing, about once a week. Some good stuff to cross-reference here. ;-D
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Postby hookem2003 » Thu Apr 20, 2006 4:46 pm

Cy Young had some seasons that would contend as well. I can't name one off-hand, but I remember my dad and I looking them up during the playoffs last year and just laughing.
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Postby johnsamo » Thu Apr 20, 2006 5:54 pm

I don't count known juiced players on principle....

All respects to the Babe - but too slow... I want good gloves in the outfield, if I have a DH, he's in

My team

C - Buck O'Neil - only negro league stats, but he could mash
1b - Pujols - best first 4 years ever, just going to get better
2b - Pete Rose - Hits, runs and obp - perfect #2 hitter
SS - A-Rod - Monster stats for the position
3b - Mike Schmidt... Power hitter back when the ball and ballparks weren't so hitter friendly - Miguel Cabrera could take this spot with a few more years under his belt.
LF - Ricky Henderson - takes care of my steals, won't be such an A*$hole when he realizes he's not the greatest player on the field.
CF - Willy Mays - could hit, field, run the bases, could do it all...
RF - Hank Arron - Mashed for years and years obviously, even had steals in his youth.... better fielder than Ruth

SP - Satchel Paige - again like Buck, his best years in the Negro league, but a lot of old timers say he was the best.
SP - Steve Carlton - Need a nasty lefty starter, just nudging out RJ
SP - Nolan Ryan - 1974... 26 complete games, 383K.... Starting 3 straight years of over 300+ K years.... 18 years later, he'd throw a 301 K season. Never played on a really great team though, otherwise he might have 400 wins.
SP - Tom Seaver - A lot of Ks and an innings eater like Ryan.
RP - Mariao RIvera - great #s for a long time
RP - Lee Smith.... Still holds the saves record.. Like Mariano, when he came in, you knew it was over.
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Postby johnsamo » Thu Apr 20, 2006 6:15 pm

Sorry... I meant Josh Gibson at Catcher, not Buck O'niel...

The numbers Gibson posted as the mainstay, alternately, of both the Pittsburgh Crawfords and Homestead Grays read like fiction: a .354 average and 962 homers throughout a 17-season career, with single-season highs of .517 and 84. Even conceding the unreliability of stat-keeping in the Negro Leagues, many of those numbers are corroborated by the official Baseball Encyclopedia.

The numbers merely eulogize a man who made indelible impressions on everyone who saw him play. Negro Leaguers who played with and against him from 1929 through 1946 revered him. Big leaguers who tried to get him out -- and there were many, as postseason barnstorming series between Major and Negro Leaguers were big attractions, and Gibson hit a collective .412 in these games -- were awed by him.

"I played with Willie Mays and against Hank Aaron," Monte Irvin once said. "They were tremendous players, but they were no Josh Gibson. You saw him hit, and you took your hat off.

"It makes me sad to talk about Josh, because he didn't get to play in the Major Leagues, and when you tell people how great he was, they think you're exaggerating."

In an allegorical sense, the color line was drawn right at Gibson's feet. In the early '40s, Dodgers Manager Leo Durocher was reprimanded by Commissioner Kenesaw Mountain Landis for musing about how nice it would be to be able to jot Gibson's name on his lineup card. According to hearsay, Pittsburgh Pirates owner Bill Benswanger actually signed Gibson to a Major League contract in 1943 that was vetoed by Landis.

But while Gibson couldn't play in the Major Leagues, he could play in Major League parks, and the big houses nurtured his legend. He preceded Mickey Mantle as the only two men to smoke a ball out of Griffith Stadium in Washington, D.C. He also is credited with being the only one to ever hit one out of Yankee Stadium, an undocumented blow ostensibly struck in September 1930 off Connie Rector of the Lincoln Giants.
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Postby Tavish » Thu Apr 20, 2006 6:44 pm

nuggets wrote:^ I'm in the process of drafting a three league (+NFL, NBL) all-time (5-year peak + career) draft which we work on when we go fishing, about once a week. Some good stuff to cross-reference here. ;-D


You should look through the Historical Draft Forum here at the Cafe, quite a bit of info floating around in there. ;-D
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Postby Omaha Red Sox » Thu Apr 20, 2006 7:08 pm

Tavish wrote:
nuggets wrote:^ I'm in the process of drafting a three league (+NFL, NBL) all-time (5-year peak + career) draft which we work on when we go fishing, about once a week. Some good stuff to cross-reference here. ;-D


You should look through the Historical Draft Forum here at the Cafe, quite a bit of info floating around in there. ;-D


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Postby Reality Baseball » Thu Apr 20, 2006 7:54 pm

Here's a resource to use:

http://www.stallvalue.com/histsv/makehist.html

You can plug in your desired scoring system / league specs and the system will spit out roto $ values for any year, 1901-2005.
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