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Postby jumpman8288 » Sat Feb 05, 2005 1:31 am

Yoda wrote:Best seasons by a pitcher ever"

18 W, 1.74 ERA, 284 K, 0.74 WHIP in 97
23 W, 2.07 ERA, 313 K, 0.92 WHIP in 98

...Pedro martinez.


Ed Walsh might have something to say about that:


40-15, 1.42 ERA, 269 K, 0.86 WHIP (He threw in 6 saves for good measure too)...1908
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Postby Foul Pops » Thu Apr 20, 2006 9:53 am

A friend of mine and I came up with a fun and interesting fantasy draft. We enacted the "in-our-lifetime" rule, or at least the "since-we-paid-attention" rule, and made all players available from 1980 to current day. We were drafting a team of 2 C, 2 1b, 2 2b, 2 3b, 2 SS, 5 OF, 2 DH/UTIL, 6 SP, 4 RP. You were allowed to pick what year you wanted a given players stats. Once a player went off the board, he was gone - I couldn't take 2000 Pedro after he took 1999 Pedro. The result was so much fun, I figured it would interest some of the baseball buffs on this board. I am listed as 'G'. He is 'C'. It certainly opened my eyes to alot of great seasons by individuals that I had totally forgotten about.


So... here are the results of our Ultimate Fantasy Draft, 1980-2005. Complete with analysis.



Round 1
G: 1985 Dwight Gooden
C: 1999 Manny Ramirez
Analysis: To start, we are just grasping, trying to remember the outstanding individual years of our time. Gooden’s 24 wins, 268 Ks, 1.53 ERA, and 0.96 ERA were just sick. Manny’s 165 RBI year is unmatchable.

Round 2
G: 1997 Mike Piazza
C: 1998 Sammy Sosa
Analysis: I start thinking about trying to gobble up the players who have no peer at their position. My guess is there is no catcher close to Mike Piazza’s 1997 (.362 / 40 / 124). Sosa’s 66 HR and 158 RBI puts me in a serious hole with RBI.

Round 3
G: 2001 Barry Bonds
C: 1999 Ivan Rodriguez
Analysis: Even though I doubt he will take a 3rd straight outfielder to start the draft, I can’t leave Bonds and his 73 HR on the table. He answers my Piazza pick with Pudge (.332 / 35 / 113 / and 25 SB !! ). I had totally forgot Rodriguez had a year that good.

Round 4
G: 1999 Pedro Martinez
C: 2003 Eric Gagne
Analysis: Looking to take a stranglehold in the pitching department, I team Gooden with Pedro (sick – 23 wins, 313 Ks, 2.07 ERA, 0.92 WHIP). Pedro’s WHIP was a ridiculous 0.717 in ’00, but the wins and Ks were better in ’99. He goes Gagne to take the drivers seat with closers – hard to match 55 saves, 1.20 ERA, 0.69 WHIP – and 137 Ks from your closer.

Round 5
G: 1988 Jose Canseco
C: 2001 Randy Johnson
Analysis: Time to scoop up the 40-40 guys. Canseco hit 42 HR and stole 40 bases in ’88. But so much for my pitching advantage. Hindsight tells me Randy Johnson’s 372 Ks give him a huge advantage over Gooden and Pedro, even though the rest of his numbers are slightly worse.

Round 6
G: 1990 Dennis Eckersley
C: 1980 Steve Carlton
Analysis: Trying to keep pace with Gagne, I go with ’90 Eck, who walked 4 batters THE ENTIRE YEAR. Only allowed 5 runs. The saves (48) are lower than I would have liked, but the ERA (0.61) and WHIP (0.61) are obscene. Carlton gets him wins (24) and Ks (286), but the WHIP (1.10) makes this pick a bit of a reach. Hard to believe we would be saying that about a 1.10 WHIP.

Round 7
G: 1998 Alex Rodriguez
C: 1987 Eric Davis
Analysis: I strike the first blow for shortstops, taking ARod’s 40-40 year (42 HR, 46 SB), over his .358, 141 run year in 1996. Also passed on 2002 ARod, who hit 57 HR and drove in 142 runs. The Eric Davis pick is one he would later regret. The 37 HR, 50 SB combo is sexy, but that .293 average is a killer in this game.

Round 8
G: 1998 Mark McGwire
C: 1980 George Brett
Analysis: Homerun for my team. I’ll take the hit on McGwire’s .299 average, because I get 70 HR to go with my 73 HR Bonds. Can’t believe McGwire lasted this long. For the second straight round, he slips up by taking ’80 Brett. He was mesmerized by the .390 average, neglecting the lack of HR (24) or SB (12) presence. Especially with better 3rd basemen out there.

Round 9
G: 2004 Adrian Beltre
C: 1997 Roger Clemens
Analysis: My first sleeper pick. I almost felt dirty taking Beltre’s flash-in-the-pan year over my childhood favorite Mike Schmidt, but who can pass up on .334 / 48 / 121? Schmidt never had that kind of average. Clemens gives him his 3rd stud starter (21 wins, 292 Ks, 2.05 ERA). Hard to believe his best statistical year was in Toronto.

Round 10
G: 1996 John Smoltz
C: 1995 Greg Maddux
Analysis: When I looked at the Braves big 3, I was shocked to see Smoltz had the best single year, His 24 win, 276 K, 2.94 ERA, 1.001 WHIP season in ’96 puts me back in control at SP. The Maddux pick is solid with ERA (1.63) and WHIP (0.8111), but the 19 wins sets him back in that department.

Round 11
G: 1997 Larry Walker
C: 2002 Alfonso Soriano
Analysis: ’97 Walker should have been a top 3 pick. He may have the best fantasy season EVER - .366, 143 runs, 49 HR, 130 RBI, 33 SB. Wow. Soriano (39 HR, 41 SB, .300 avg) is a good pick at 2b, but not necessarily better than the 2b that are still available. Again, his average takes a hit.

Round 12
G: 2000 Todd Helton
C: 2001 Luis Gonzalez
Analysis: I went back-to-back Rockies on him. Helton’s .372, 138 runs, 42 HR, 147 RBI is Walker without the steals. Sick fantasy season. I have taken a stranglehold on batting average. Luis Gonzalez and his 57 HR season helps him in the power department.

Round 13
G: 1990 Bobby Thigpen
C: 2002 Curt Schilling
Analysis: I try to climb back in the save category by taking Thigpen’s 57 save season. After looking at other top closers, his ERA (1.83) and WHIP (1.038) aren’t as bad as I originally thought. But the Ks go bye-bye on me, when he takes Schilling and his 316 K season. He took an ERA hit (3.23) by taking ’02 Schill over ’01 Schill (22 wins, 293 Ks, 2.98 ERA).

Round 14
G: 1998 Trevor Hoffman
C: 1997 Ken Griffey, Jr.
Analysis: He complains that he was about to take Hoffman (53 saves, 1.48 ERA, 0.849 WHIP). Instead, he lands another high 50 HR outfielder, ignoring Griffey’s .304 avergae, and taking his 56 HR and 147 RBI.

Round 15
G: 2002 Vladimir Guerrero
C: 2004 Miguel Tejada
Analysis: I close the book on 40-40 guys (or close to 40-40) by taking Vlad and his .336 / 39 / 111 / 40 season. Trying to piece meal steals rather than take the batting average hit that Rickey Henderson or Vince Coleman brings. Tejada’s 150 RBI season is unrivaled at shortstop. I have a long road back in the RBI department.

Round 16
G: 2003 Albert Pujols
C: 1985 Rickey Henderson
Analysis: Pujols (.359 / 137 / 43 / 124) fills my first DH spot, and takes another top notch 1st basemen off the market. He takes the Rickey plunge, but not the one we anticipated. The whole time, we had been blinded by Rickey’s 130 SB season, where his .267 average was too much of an anchor to take on. We had both – until this point – neglected his 80 SB season in ’85, where his other numbers (.314 avg., 146 runs) were much more appetizing. This puts me in a stolen base deficit and leads me to start thinking of every Miguel Dilone and Omar Moreno out there. 1983 Tim Raines .298 avg with 90 steals looks most promising.

Round 17
G: 1998 Juan Gonzalez
C: 2004 Mariano Rivera
Analysis: I probably should have grabbed Rivera first, because his 53 save season cancels out my Hoffman pick-up. Instead I land Juan Gone and his .318 / 45 / 157. My OF spots are now filled.

Round 18
G: 2000 Jeff Kent
C: 2003 Javy Lopez
Analysis: This would prove to be my worst round, one that almost cost me the game. Kent’s .334 / 33 / 125 looked sweet; I would later be proved foolish. And all along we were thinking that all the quality catchers were gone when Piazza and Pudge left, and he dropped a Javy 41 HR bomb on me. What odds do I have on finding a 2nd catcher who hit .328 with 43 jacks?

Round 19
G: 1989 Bret Saberhagen
C: 2001 Bret Boone
Analysis: I take one step closer to pitching domination with Saberhagen’s 23 wins, 2.16 ERA, and 0.961 WHIP. He makes my Kent pick look stupid when he takes Boone, who’s .331 / 37 / 141 is actually better than Kent. Oops.

Round 20
G: 1996 Kenny Lofton
C: 1993 Randy Myers
Analysis: Yes! I found my answer to Rickey. After looking at all the Dave Collins and Willie Wilsons of the world, I found Lofton’s diamond in the rough season (.317, 132 runs, 14 HR, 67 RBI, 75 SB). He basically gives up on ERA (3.11) and WHIP (1.21), just to get Myers’ 53 saves.

Round 21
G: 1999 Derek Jeter
C: 1999 Nomar Garciaparra
Analysis: Both of us complete our SS position. As much as I hated picking Jeter over old school studs like ’82 Robin Yount (.331 / 129 / 29 / 114 / 14) and ’87 Alan Trammell (.343 / 109 / 28 / 105 / 21), his 134 runs gave me a decided advantage, and there wasn’t much difference in HR (24) and SB (19). ’99 Nomar (.357 / 103 / 27 / 104 / 14) was almost a duplicate copy of Jeter’s numbers, except for the runs.

Round 22
G: 1986 Mike Scott
C: 1980 Mike Schmidt
Analysis: My bid to get back in the strikeout hunt. I took on Mike Scott’s paltry 18 wins, to reap the benefits of his 306 Ks. His ERA (2.22) and WHIP (0.923) weren’t too shabby either. With my opponent already out of the batting average race, he has no qualms taking on Schmidt’s .286, instead enjoying the 48 HR, 121 RBI upside.

Round 23
G: 2004 Armando Benitez
C: 1983 Dan Quisenberry
Analysis: I finish out my RPs by taking Benitez one year stint in Florida. Love the 47 saves, 1.29 ERA, and 0.818 WHIP. He answers with Quisenberry (45 saves), who wins him the saves category by one measley save.

Round 24
G: 2000 Charles Johnson
C: 1999 Jeff Bagwell
Analysis: Believe it or not, I actually considered Mike Lieberthal and his .300 / 30 HR season. I couldn’t absorb Todd Hundley’s (.259 avg, 41 HR), so I went Rockies and took Charles Johnson (.304 / 31 / 91). That was the best I could do. Jeff Bagwell gives him run support (143 runs) to go with everything else (.304 / 42 / 126).

Round 25
G: 1998 Vinny Castilla
C: 2002 Jim Thome
Analysis: I finish out my 3b spot by taking Castilla (.319 / 108 / 46 / 144 / 5) over ’96 Caminiti (.326 / 109 / 40 / 130 / 1) and ’99 Chipper (.319 / 116 / 45 / 110 / 25). He adds Thome (.304 / 52 / 118) to Bagwell at 1b.

Round 26
G: 1988 Frank Viola
C: 1996 Kevin Brown
Analysis: Down to our final two picks. Now it gets interesting. We each have one SP left. If I make a run at Ks, with ’89 Nolan Ryan (16 wins, 301 Ks), I leave the door open for ’90 Bob Welch (27 wins) to beat me in wins. I take the safe route. ’88 Viola (24 wins, 2.64 ERA, 1.136 WHIP, 193 Ks) seals the win category. His ’96 Kevin Brown response (17 wins, 1.89 ERA, 0.944 WHIP) is an unsuccessful attempt to make up the difference in WHIP and ERA. I win three pitching categories, lose two.

Round 27
G: 1996 Chuck Knoblauch
C: 1996 Ellis Burks
Analysis: I have to pick a 2nd baseman, he has a DH spot. I go into the pick with a healthy lead in avg, trailing in RBI (-11), leading in runs (+28) and homeruns (+16), and tied in SB. Taking ’90 Ryne Sandberg (116 runs, 40 HR, 100 RBI, 25 SB), or even ’85 Ryne Sandberg (113 runs, 26 HR, 83 RBI, 54 SB), leaves me open to get caught in two categories. My only choice in ’96 Knoblauch (.341 / 140 runs / 13 HR / 45 SB), who locks up runs, and either HR or SB. His Burks pick gives him the edge in HR, but doesn’t catch me in steals. He needed a 31 HR, 46 SB guy – none of which were left. I win three offensive categories, and take the overall title, 6-4.
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Postby j24jags » Thu Apr 20, 2006 10:27 am

Foul Pops wrote:A friend of mine and I came up with a fun and interesting fantasy draft. We enacted the "in-our-lifetime" rule, or at least the "since-we-paid-attention" rule, and made all players available from 1980 to current day. We were drafting a team of 2 C, 2 1b, 2 2b, 2 3b, 2 SS, 5 OF, 2 DH/UTIL, 6 SP, 4 RP. You were allowed to pick what year you wanted a given players stats. Once a player went off the board, he was gone - I couldn't take 2000 Pedro after he took 1999 Pedro. The result was so much fun, I figured it would interest some of the baseball buffs on this board. I am listed as 'G'. He is 'C'. It certainly opened my eyes to alot of great seasons by individuals that I had totally forgotten about.


So... here are the results of our Ultimate Fantasy Draft, 1980-2005. Complete with analysis.



Round 1
G: 1985 Dwight Gooden
C: 1999 Manny Ramirez
Analysis: To start, we are just grasping, trying to remember the outstanding individual years of our time. Gooden’s 24 wins, 268 Ks, 1.53 ERA, and 0.96 ERA were just sick. Manny’s 165 RBI year is unmatchable.

Round 2
G: 1997 Mike Piazza
C: 1998 Sammy Sosa
Analysis: I start thinking about trying to gobble up the players who have no peer at their position. My guess is there is no catcher close to Mike Piazza’s 1997 (.362 / 40 / 124). Sosa’s 66 HR and 158 RBI puts me in a serious hole with RBI.

Round 3
G: 2001 Barry Bonds
C: 1999 Ivan Rodriguez
Analysis: Even though I doubt he will take a 3rd straight outfielder to start the draft, I can’t leave Bonds and his 73 HR on the table. He answers my Piazza pick with Pudge (.332 / 35 / 113 / and 25 SB !! ). I had totally forgot Rodriguez had a year that good.

Round 4
G: 1999 Pedro Martinez
C: 2003 Eric Gagne
Analysis: Looking to take a stranglehold in the pitching department, I team Gooden with Pedro (sick – 23 wins, 313 Ks, 2.07 ERA, 0.92 WHIP). Pedro’s WHIP was a ridiculous 0.717 in ’00, but the wins and Ks were better in ’99. He goes Gagne to take the drivers seat with closers – hard to match 55 saves, 1.20 ERA, 0.69 WHIP – and 137 Ks from your closer.

Round 5
G: 1988 Jose Canseco
C: 2001 Randy Johnson
Analysis: Time to scoop up the 40-40 guys. Canseco hit 42 HR and stole 40 bases in ’88. But so much for my pitching advantage. Hindsight tells me Randy Johnson’s 372 Ks give him a huge advantage over Gooden and Pedro, even though the rest of his numbers are slightly worse.

Round 6
G: 1990 Dennis Eckersley
C: 1980 Steve Carlton
Analysis: Trying to keep pace with Gagne, I go with ’90 Eck, who walked 4 batters THE ENTIRE YEAR. Only allowed 5 runs. The saves (48) are lower than I would have liked, but the ERA (0.61) and WHIP (0.61) are obscene. Carlton gets him wins (24) and Ks (286), but the WHIP (1.10) makes this pick a bit of a reach. Hard to believe we would be saying that about a 1.10 WHIP.

Round 7
G: 1998 Alex Rodriguez
C: 1987 Eric Davis
Analysis: I strike the first blow for shortstops, taking ARod’s 40-40 year (42 HR, 46 SB), over his .358, 141 run year in 1996. Also passed on 2002 ARod, who hit 57 HR and drove in 142 runs. The Eric Davis pick is one he would later regret. The 37 HR, 50 SB combo is sexy, but that .293 average is a killer in this game.

Round 8
G: 1998 Mark McGwire
C: 1980 George Brett
Analysis: Homerun for my team. I’ll take the hit on McGwire’s .299 average, because I get 70 HR to go with my 73 HR Bonds. Can’t believe McGwire lasted this long. For the second straight round, he slips up by taking ’80 Brett. He was mesmerized by the .390 average, neglecting the lack of HR (24) or SB (12) presence. Especially with better 3rd basemen out there.

Round 9
G: 2004 Adrian Beltre
C: 1997 Roger Clemens
Analysis: My first sleeper pick. I almost felt dirty taking Beltre’s flash-in-the-pan year over my childhood favorite Mike Schmidt, but who can pass up on .334 / 48 / 121? Schmidt never had that kind of average. Clemens gives him his 3rd stud starter (21 wins, 292 Ks, 2.05 ERA). Hard to believe his best statistical year was in Toronto.

Round 10
G: 1996 John Smoltz
C: 1995 Greg Maddux
Analysis: When I looked at the Braves big 3, I was shocked to see Smoltz had the best single year, His 24 win, 276 K, 2.94 ERA, 1.001 WHIP season in ’96 puts me back in control at SP. The Maddux pick is solid with ERA (1.63) and WHIP (0.8111), but the 19 wins sets him back in that department.

Round 11
G: 1997 Larry Walker
C: 2002 Alfonso Soriano
Analysis: ’97 Walker should have been a top 3 pick. He may have the best fantasy season EVER - .366, 143 runs, 49 HR, 130 RBI, 33 SB. Wow. Soriano (39 HR, 41 SB, .300 avg) is a good pick at 2b, but not necessarily better than the 2b that are still available. Again, his average takes a hit.

Round 12
G: 2000 Todd Helton
C: 2001 Luis Gonzalez
Analysis: I went back-to-back Rockies on him. Helton’s .372, 138 runs, 42 HR, 147 RBI is Walker without the steals. Sick fantasy season. I have taken a stranglehold on batting average. Luis Gonzalez and his 57 HR season helps him in the power department.

Round 13
G: 1990 Bobby Thigpen
C: 2002 Curt Schilling
Analysis: I try to climb back in the save category by taking Thigpen’s 57 save season. After looking at other top closers, his ERA (1.83) and WHIP (1.038) aren’t as bad as I originally thought. But the Ks go bye-bye on me, when he takes Schilling and his 316 K season. He took an ERA hit (3.23) by taking ’02 Schill over ’01 Schill (22 wins, 293 Ks, 2.98 ERA).

Round 14
G: 1998 Trevor Hoffman
C: 1997 Ken Griffey, Jr.
Analysis: He complains that he was about to take Hoffman (53 saves, 1.48 ERA, 0.849 WHIP). Instead, he lands another high 50 HR outfielder, ignoring Griffey’s .304 avergae, and taking his 56 HR and 147 RBI.

Round 15
G: 2002 Vladimir Guerrero
C: 2004 Miguel Tejada
Analysis: I close the book on 40-40 guys (or close to 40-40) by taking Vlad and his .336 / 39 / 111 / 40 season. Trying to piece meal steals rather than take the batting average hit that Rickey Henderson or Vince Coleman brings. Tejada’s 150 RBI season is unrivaled at shortstop. I have a long road back in the RBI department.

Round 16
G: 2003 Albert Pujols
C: 1985 Rickey Henderson
Analysis: Pujols (.359 / 137 / 43 / 124) fills my first DH spot, and takes another top notch 1st basemen off the market. He takes the Rickey plunge, but not the one we anticipated. The whole time, we had been blinded by Rickey’s 130 SB season, where his .267 average was too much of an anchor to take on. We had both – until this point – neglected his 80 SB season in ’85, where his other numbers (.314 avg., 146 runs) were much more appetizing. This puts me in a stolen base deficit and leads me to start thinking of every Miguel Dilone and Omar Moreno out there. 1983 Tim Raines .298 avg with 90 steals looks most promising.

Round 17
G: 1998 Juan Gonzalez
C: 2004 Mariano Rivera
Analysis: I probably should have grabbed Rivera first, because his 53 save season cancels out my Hoffman pick-up. Instead I land Juan Gone and his .318 / 45 / 157. My OF spots are now filled.

Round 18
G: 2000 Jeff Kent
C: 2003 Javy Lopez
Analysis: This would prove to be my worst round, one that almost cost me the game. Kent’s .334 / 33 / 125 looked sweet; I would later be proved foolish. And all along we were thinking that all the quality catchers were gone when Piazza and Pudge left, and he dropped a Javy 41 HR bomb on me. What odds do I have on finding a 2nd catcher who hit .328 with 43 jacks?

Round 19
G: 1989 Bret Saberhagen
C: 2001 Bret Boone
Analysis: I take one step closer to pitching domination with Saberhagen’s 23 wins, 2.16 ERA, and 0.961 WHIP. He makes my Kent pick look stupid when he takes Boone, who’s .331 / 37 / 141 is actually better than Kent. Oops.

Round 20
G: 1996 Kenny Lofton
C: 1993 Randy Myers
Analysis: Yes! I found my answer to Rickey. After looking at all the Dave Collins and Willie Wilsons of the world, I found Lofton’s diamond in the rough season (.317, 132 runs, 14 HR, 67 RBI, 75 SB). He basically gives up on ERA (3.11) and WHIP (1.21), just to get Myers’ 53 saves.

Round 21
G: 1999 Derek Jeter
C: 1999 Nomar Garciaparra
Analysis: Both of us complete our SS position. As much as I hated picking Jeter over old school studs like ’82 Robin Yount (.331 / 129 / 29 / 114 / 14) and ’87 Alan Trammell (.343 / 109 / 28 / 105 / 21), his 134 runs gave me a decided advantage, and there wasn’t much difference in HR (24) and SB (19). ’99 Nomar (.357 / 103 / 27 / 104 / 14) was almost a duplicate copy of Jeter’s numbers, except for the runs.

Round 22
G: 1986 Mike Scott
C: 1980 Mike Schmidt
Analysis: My bid to get back in the strikeout hunt. I took on Mike Scott’s paltry 18 wins, to reap the benefits of his 306 Ks. His ERA (2.22) and WHIP (0.923) weren’t too shabby either. With my opponent already out of the batting average race, he has no qualms taking on Schmidt’s .286, instead enjoying the 48 HR, 121 RBI upside.

Round 23
G: 2004 Armando Benitez
C: 1983 Dan Quisenberry
Analysis: I finish out my RPs by taking Benitez one year stint in Florida. Love the 47 saves, 1.29 ERA, and 0.818 WHIP. He answers with Quisenberry (45 saves), who wins him the saves category by one measley save.

Round 24
G: 2000 Charles Johnson
C: 1999 Jeff Bagwell
Analysis: Believe it or not, I actually considered Mike Lieberthal and his .300 / 30 HR season. I couldn’t absorb Todd Hundley’s (.259 avg, 41 HR), so I went Rockies and took Charles Johnson (.304 / 31 / 91). That was the best I could do. Jeff Bagwell gives him run support (143 runs) to go with everything else (.304 / 42 / 126).

Round 25
G: 1998 Vinny Castilla
C: 2002 Jim Thome
Analysis: I finish out my 3b spot by taking Castilla (.319 / 108 / 46 / 144 / 5) over ’96 Caminiti (.326 / 109 / 40 / 130 / 1) and ’99 Chipper (.319 / 116 / 45 / 110 / 25). He adds Thome (.304 / 52 / 118) to Bagwell at 1b.

Round 26
G: 1988 Frank Viola
C: 1996 Kevin Brown
Analysis: Down to our final two picks. Now it gets interesting. We each have one SP left. If I make a run at Ks, with ’89 Nolan Ryan (16 wins, 301 Ks), I leave the door open for ’90 Bob Welch (27 wins) to beat me in wins. I take the safe route. ’88 Viola (24 wins, 2.64 ERA, 1.136 WHIP, 193 Ks) seals the win category. His ’96 Kevin Brown response (17 wins, 1.89 ERA, 0.944 WHIP) is an unsuccessful attempt to make up the difference in WHIP and ERA. I win three pitching categories, lose two.

Round 27
G: 1996 Chuck Knoblauch
C: 1996 Ellis Burks
Analysis: I have to pick a 2nd baseman, he has a DH spot. I go into the pick with a healthy lead in avg, trailing in RBI (-11), leading in runs (+28) and homeruns (+16), and tied in SB. Taking ’90 Ryne Sandberg (116 runs, 40 HR, 100 RBI, 25 SB), or even ’85 Ryne Sandberg (113 runs, 26 HR, 83 RBI, 54 SB), leaves me open to get caught in two categories. My only choice in ’96 Knoblauch (.341 / 140 runs / 13 HR / 45 SB), who locks up runs, and either HR or SB. His Burks pick gives him the edge in HR, but doesn’t catch me in steals. He needed a 31 HR, 46 SB guy – none of which were left. I win three offensive categories, and take the overall title, 6-4.

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Postby Foul Pops » Thu Apr 20, 2006 10:29 am

Here are the statistical results:

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G AB H R HR RBI SB AVG     
C Mike Piazza 1997 556 201 104 40 124 5 .362     
C C. Johnson '00 421 128 76 31 91 2 .304     
1b Mark McGwire '98 509 152 130 70 147 1 .299     
1b Helton '00 580 216 138 42 147 5 .372     
2b Kent '00 587 196 114 33 125 12 .334     
2b Knoblauch '96 578 197 140 13 72 45 .341     
SS Jeter '99 627 219 134 24 102 19 .349     
SS A. Rodriguez '98 686 213 123 42 124 46 .310     
3b Beltre '04 598 200 104 48 121 7 .334     
3b Castilla '98 645 206 108 46 144 5 .319     
OF Canseco '88 610 187 120 42 124 40 .307     
OF Bonds '01 476 156 129 73 137 13 .328     
OF Walker '97 568 208 143 49 130 33 .366     
OF Guerrero '02 614 206 106 39 111 40 .336     
OF Juan Gonzalez '98 606 193 110 45 157 2 .318     
DH Pujols '03 591 212 137 43 124 5 .359     
DH Lofton '96 662 210 132 14 67 75 .317     
  Hitting Totals 9914 3300 2048 694 2047 355 .333
     
  Pitchers IP H BB ER W SV K ERA WHIP
SP Dwight Gooden  1985 276.7 198 69 47 24 0 268 1.53 0.96
SP Pedro '99 213 160 37 49 23 0 313 2.07 0.92
SP Smoltz '96 253.7 199 55 83 24 0 286 2.94 1.00
SP Saberhagen '89 262 209 43 62 23 0 193 2.13 0.96
SP Scott '86 275 182 72 68 18 0 306 2.23 0.92
SP Viola '88 255.3 236 54 75 23 0 193 2.64 1.14
RP Eckersley '90 73.3 41 4 5 4 48 73 0.61 0.61
RP Thigpen '90 88.7 60 32 18 4 57 70 1.83 1.04
RP Hoffman '98 73 41 21 12 4 53 86 1.48 0.85
RP Benitez '04 69 36 21 10 2 47 62 1.30 0.83
  Pitching Totals 1839.7 1362 408 429 149 205 1850 2.10 0.96



  C AB H R HR RBI SB AVG     
C Ivan Rodriguez '99 600 199 116 35 113 25 .332     
C Javy Lopez '03 457 150 89 43 109 0 .328     
1b Bagwell '99 562 171 143 42 126 30 .304     
1b Thome '02 480 146 101 52 118 1 .304     
2b Soriano '02 696 209 128 39 102 41 .300     
2b Boone '01 623 206 118 37 141 5 .331     
SS Tejada '04 653 203 107 34 150 4 .311     
SS Garciaparra '99 532 190 103 27 104 14 .357     
3b Schmidt '80 548 157 104 48 121 12 .286     
3b George Brett '80 449 175 87 24 118 12 .390     
OF Manny Ramirez 1999 522 174 131 44 165 2 .333     
OF Sammy Sosa 1998 643 198 134 66 158 18 .308     
OF Eric Davis '87 474 139 120 37 100 50 .293     
OF L. Gonzalez '01 609 198 128 57 142 1 .325     
OF Griffey '97 608 185 125 56 147 15 .304     
DH Henderson '85 547 172 146 24 72 80 .314     
DH Burks '96 613 211 142 40 128 32 .344     
  Hitting Totals 9616 3083 2022 705 2114 342 .321 
   
    IP H BB ER W SV K ERA WHIP
SP Steve Carlton '80 304 243 90 79 24 0 286 2.34 1.10
SP Randy Johnson '01 249 181 71 69 21 0 372 2.49 1.01
SP Roger Clemens '97 264 204 68 60 21 0 292 2.05 1.03
SP Greg Maddux '95 209 147 23 38 19 0 181 1.64 0.81
SP Curt Schilling '02 259 218 33 93 23 0 316 3.23 0.97
SP Kevin Brown '96 233 187 33 49 17 0 159 1.89 0.94
RP Eric Gagne '03 82.3 37 20 11 2 55 137 1.20 0.69
RP Rivera '04 78 65 20 17 4 53 66 1.96 1.09
RP Myers '93 75.3 65 26 26 2 53 86 3.11 1.21
RP Quisenberry '83 139 118 11 30 5 45 48 1.94 0.93
  Pitching Totals 1892.6 1465 395 472 138 206 1943 2.24 0.98

           
  AB H R HR RBI SB AVG   
G Hitting Totals  9914 3300 2048 694 2047 355 .333   
C Hitting Totals  9616 3083 2022 705 2114 342 .321   
           
  IP H BB ER W SV K ERA WHIP
G Pitching Totals  1839.7 1362 408 429 149 205 1850 2.10 0.96
C Pitching Totals  1892.6 1465 395 472 138 206 1943 2.24 0.98



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Postby Slow Pitch » Thu Apr 20, 2006 11:23 am

Here is the ALL-TIME FANTASY TEAM LINE UP:

C 1997 Mike Piazza .362 40 HR 124 RBI 104 R 5 Sbs

1b 1931 Lou Gehrig .341 46 HR 184 RBI 163 R 17 Sbs

2b 1922 Rogers Hornsby .401 42 HR 152 RBI 141 R 17 Sbs

3b 1953 Al Rosen .336 43 HR 145 RBI 115 R 8 Sbs

SS 1894 Hughie Jennings .401 4 HR 125 RBI 121 R 70 Sbs

OF 1921 Babe Ruth .378 59 HR 171 RBI 177 R 17 Sbs

OF 1894 Hugh Duffy .440 18 HR 145 RBI 160 R 48 Sbs

OF 1887 Pete Browning .402 4 HR 118 RBI 137 R 103 Sbs

UIF 1932 Jimmie Foxx .364 58 HR 169 RBI 151 R 3 Sbs

UOF 1930 Hack Wilson .356 56 HR 190 RBI 146 R 3 Sbs
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Postby kemper5 » Thu Apr 20, 2006 11:25 am

Check out Bob Gibson in 1968 and Nolan Ryan in 1973

Gibson...22W, 28 Complete Games, 304 Inning Pitched 8-o , 268 K's, 1.12 ERA, and 13 Shutouts 8-o 8-o

Ryan.. 21 W, 26 Complete Games, 326 Innings Pitched 8-o , 383 Strikeouts :-B , 2.87 ERA

326 IP by RYAN.. SICK!
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Postby bellings » Thu Apr 20, 2006 11:52 am

If we account for scarity of HR in a given year, the Babe is the undeniable #1 pick of all time. It would be like a single player hitting 200HR nowadays.
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Postby kemper5 » Thu Apr 20, 2006 12:04 pm

Another to take into account

Hack Wilson - 1930

56 HR, 190 RBI ;-D , 208 Hits, 146 Runs, while batting a cool .356
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Postby nuggets » Thu Apr 20, 2006 12:04 pm

single season or career?
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Postby nuggets » Thu Apr 20, 2006 12:07 pm

You guys who are posting the pitching stats are missing the big kahuna

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nuggets wrote:Here is one for us to chew on. In 1884 Charley Radbourn pitched:

678.7 innings (omnipotent weight to era and whip)
1.38 ERA
0.920 WHIP
441 K
59 wins.

That might wins 4 cats alone. 8-o
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