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Postby Cornbread Maxwell » Thu Feb 03, 2005 5:46 pm

Irish wrote:They rank closers too high in my opinion. Gagne at 11 overall??????

Lidge at 17???

Soriano at 18th???

Some weird top 100 choices.


I used to think that too, but now I understand the value of the elite closers. They arent one cat guys - not by a longshot. Last yr 6 of the top 11 Ps were closers. Im not saying Im gonna draft one that early, but Im certainly not gonna knock the fact that they do earn that much in 5x5 roto leagues. Ive seen gagne falling to the 3rd rd in some drafts - thats silly. Even in a down yr he was the 3rd most valuable pitcher behind RJ and Santana.
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Postby bleach168 » Thu Feb 03, 2005 5:49 pm

Cornbread Maxwell wrote:
Irish wrote:They rank closers too high in my opinion. Gagne at 11 overall??????

Lidge at 17???

Soriano at 18th???

Some weird top 100 choices.


I used to think that too, but now I understand the value of the elite closers. They arent one cat guys - not by a longshot. Last yr 6 of the top 11 Ps were closers. Im not saying Im gonna draft one that early, but Im certainly not gonna knock the fact that they do earn that much in 5x5 roto leagues. Ive seen gagne falling to the 3rd rd in some drafts - thats silly. Even in a down yr he was the 3rd most valuable pitcher behind RJ and Santana.


Really? ESPN's player rater has Gagne as the #13 best pitcher, #30 overall.
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Postby tuff_gong » Thu Feb 03, 2005 6:00 pm

do you guys think bobby abreu at #4 overall is too high? shouldn't he be like 9th or 10th?
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Postby hawgvike » Thu Feb 03, 2005 6:02 pm

prospect rankings on there are a joke

my god, delmon young ranks LAST........
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Postby Cornbread Maxwell » Thu Feb 03, 2005 6:04 pm

bleach168 wrote:Really? ESPN's player rater has Gagne as the #13 best pitcher, #30 overall.


is that based on last yrs numbers or a projection?

I was just using rototimes standard value calculator (12 team, 5x5 roto, 9/6 starting hitter/pitcher spots) based on 2004 stats:

http://excite.rototimes.com/index.php?s ... rojections
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Postby Cornbread Maxwell » Thu Feb 03, 2005 6:05 pm

tuff_gong wrote:do you guys think bobby abreu at #4 overall is too high? shouldn't he be like 9th or 10th?


absolutely - last yr was a career yr - his hr and SB totals spiked by 10 and 18 respectively.
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Postby Yoda » Thu Feb 03, 2005 6:08 pm

This looks pretty good. Much better than the idiots at ESPN. For SURE.
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Postby bleach168 » Thu Feb 03, 2005 6:15 pm

Cornbread Maxwell wrote:
bleach168 wrote:Really? ESPN's player rater has Gagne as the #13 best pitcher, #30 overall.


is that based on last yrs numbers or a projection?

I was just using rototimes standard value calculator (12 team, 5x5 roto, 9/6 starting hitter/pitcher spots) based on 2004 stats:

http://excite.rototimes.com/index.php?s ... rojections


Yes, based on 2004 stats.

http://games.espn.go.com/cgi/flb/reques ... 0&Param5=4
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Postby Yoda » Thu Feb 03, 2005 6:18 pm

Wow look at that... Blalock as #3 among 3B and #24 overall... Teixeira at #50 overall... Funny I recall people sayin it wasn't even close and they are right. lol ;-D
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Postby Cornbread Maxwell » Thu Feb 03, 2005 6:20 pm

bleach168 wrote:
Cornbread Maxwell wrote:
bleach168 wrote:Really? ESPN's player rater has Gagne as the #13 best pitcher, #30 overall.


is that based on last yrs numbers or a projection?

I was just using rototimes standard value calculator (12 team, 5x5 roto, 9/6 starting hitter/pitcher spots) based on 2004 stats:

http://excite.rototimes.com/index.php?s ... rojections


Yes, based on 2004 stats.

http://games.espn.go.com/cgi/flb/reques ... 0&Param5=4


thats really interesting 8-o

I sure would like to be able to break down each sites calculation process to see why the large discrepancy. The fact that RJ and Santana were the top two fantasy picks last yr ahead of Pujols - by a whole lot makes me wonder if its very accurate. :-?
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