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Postby RynMan » Wed Feb 02, 2005 11:15 pm

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RynMan wrote:No way in hell I take him in the 4th, and no way in hell do I pass on Zambrano for him. I am not drafting Mulder this year, someone else will pick him way too early. I would only feel fine with him as my 4th.....him as my 3rd even would make me edgy.


You must like to build some ridiculous rotations. I'd be fine with Mulder as my second starter, let alone my 4th...I'd be a little nervous with him as my ace, but then again, in one league I'm in I would love to have him as my ace...we are close to 100 picks in and I still don't have a SP. :-o


Its not that I like to build ridiculous rotations, I am just THAT low on the guy. How can you explain his 2nd half last year and a declining K rate and be fine with him as ur number 2?
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Postby TheYanks04 » Wed Feb 02, 2005 11:15 pm

Yet people are just dying to go after Vazquez after his second half numbers. The logic of that baffles me.

Mulder is a concern and if you can deal him at value, you probably should. I dealt him and Pavano for Thome in one of my keepers leagues. I kept Santana and C. Zambrano.

Mulder may have been hiding an injury. He denies it so who knows why he all of a sudden lost it.
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Postby NZF » Wed Feb 02, 2005 11:17 pm

LBJackal wrote:The Coliseum a hitters park. Busch is a pitchers park, and cuts down on HR's big time.


Now that I don't agree with. That's total crap.
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Postby RynMan » Wed Feb 02, 2005 11:18 pm

LBJackal wrote:The Coliseum a hitters park. Busch is a pitchers park, and cuts down on HR's big time.


Since when is the Coliseum a hitters park? Do you have a link to park factors?
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Postby LBJackal » Wed Feb 02, 2005 11:19 pm

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LBJackal wrote:The Coliseum a hitters park. Busch is a pitchers park, and cuts down on HR's big time.


Now that I don't agree with. That's total crap.


Well... if you'd like the numbers I'll give them to you. But it's not crap.
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Postby LBJackal » Wed Feb 02, 2005 11:23 pm

3 year weighted averages (100 is neutral, and higher is better for hitters):

Coliseum: 101
Busch: 97

Last year the Coliseum was even more of a hitters park than that, and Busch was even more of a pitchers' park. And HR's aren't even close, the Coliseum gives up a ton more.
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Postby NZF » Wed Feb 02, 2005 11:25 pm

I've seen the numbers. They are very similar.

Sure the Coliseum may be slightly better than Busch for hitters but to say that it is a hitters park and Busch is a pitchers park is rubbish. For a start the fact that the pitcher bats in the NL and the AL has a DH is probably enough alone to make the Coliseum more of a pitchers park if all things were equal.
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Postby LBJackal » Wed Feb 02, 2005 11:34 pm

The DH wouldn't affect park factors, since they account for both runs scored and runs allowed. How good/bad the team is, or whether or not thetre's a DH is irrelevent. You can call it rubbish if you want but you cany deny the fact that eveyrthing points to Oakland being a hitters park and Busch being apitcher's park. They aren't extremes, but they are very much different.
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Postby RynMan » Wed Feb 02, 2005 11:34 pm

This is what I dont understand with the whole park factors statistic. How the hell does a park change each year whether it is a pitchers or hitters park, without physically changing its dimensions? All I know is that there is a TON of foul ground in the collesium and its outfield aint short, so how can that not be a pitcher's park? Im just soo skeptical of park factors etc. Maybe because I dont fully understand them. Anyone have a link? :-?
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Postby LBJackal » Wed Feb 02, 2005 11:37 pm

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams ... tend.shtml

And if you click on the highlighted Park Factor link it explains how they go tit. It's a 3 year weighted average I believe.
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