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Postby RugbyD » Mon Jan 31, 2005 5:29 pm

My benchie has a first name,
It's F-R-E-E-L
My benchie has a second name,
It's P-O-L-A-N-C-O

i forget how the rest ofthe song goes.
TennCare rocks!!!!
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Postby CubsFan7724 » Mon Jan 31, 2005 5:53 pm

Figgins should be somewhere around 8, and certainly not below players like Polanco and Freel. Im not a huge believer in Hudson, he seems like this years Alex Cintron, the sleeper MI that everyone hypes up who then proceeds to blow up almost instantly.
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Postby Lime » Mon Jan 31, 2005 6:22 pm

Well I've given it some thought and here's how I revised the list:

1. Marcus Giles ATL
2. Alfonso Soriano TEX
3. Jeff Kent LA
4. Mark Loretta SD
5. Jose Vidro WAS
6. Bret Boone SEA
7. Orlando Hudson TOR
8. Ray Durham SF
9. Jose Reyes NYM
10. Juan Uribe CWS
11. Mark Bellhorn BOS
12. D’Angelo Jimenez CIN
13. Chris Burke HOU
14. Chone Figgins ANA
15. Luis Castillo FLA
16. Brian Roberts BAL
17. Michael Cuddyer MIN
18. Junior Spivey MIL
19. Todd Walker CHC
20. Aaron Miles COL
21. Chase Utley PHI
22. Ryan Freel CIN
23. Alex Cintron ARI
24. Mark Grudzielanek STL
25. Keith Ginter OAK
26. Ty Wigginton PIT
27. Omar Infante DET
28. Ronnie Belliard CLE
29. Scott Hairston ARI
30. Fernando Vina DET
31. Placido Polanco PHI
32. Tony Womack NYY
33. Adam Kennedy ANA
34. Freddy Sanchez PIT
35. Luis Rivas MIN
36. Bill Hall MIL
37. Jose Castillo PIT
38. Ruben Gotay KC
39. Frank Menechino TOR
40. Jamey Carroll WAS

Most notably I've moved Vidro down to #5, making the Soriano and Loretta fans a bit happier. I don't think anyone can convince me to put a career .326 OBP (Soriano) at #1. Hmm what else, oh Polanco moves down with him apparantly being a utililty player this year. Utley moves way up, and uh, just some more minor shuffling. Thanks everyone.
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Postby CubsFan7724 » Mon Jan 31, 2005 6:56 pm

Guys like Bellhorn, Jiminez, and Chris Burke shouldn't be above Figgins.
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Postby shortsavage » Mon Jan 31, 2005 8:01 pm

Lime wrote:
slomo007 wrote:
Lime wrote:Cincy would be crazy not to have him in the lineup every day. He's the ideal leadoff man who gets on base a lot and has great speed.


He's actually the 5th OFer and the primary backup IFer. I would expect, that until injury strikes, he'll play in 2-3 games/week. Assuming injury strikes somewhere, his role will change...although Wily Mo has the first shot if it's an OFer.


I've got him pencilled in as the everyday 3B. Don't tell me Joe Randa's "decent power bat" is ahead of him. The way I look at it, the Reds already have enough pop with Griffey (if healthy), Dunn, Casey, and Kearns. They ought to put more thought into who's setting the table for those guys in the 1-2 slots, and IMO it should be Freel and Jimenez.

Freel is too good to be a bench player. If they don't want him to play they should trade him.


The Reds did not sign Joe Randa to let him rot on the bench. Freel has next to no chance of starting at 3B going into the season so long as Randa is healthy. You need to read up more on the situation before you burn yourself in the draft room. I believe that this is a prime example of one of the many logical errors that you are making in your assessments.
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Postby Gandalf » Mon Jan 31, 2005 8:14 pm

you seemed to leave out Iguchi.
With what they paid him and as bad as Harris is, he's going to be the everyday 2B. And if you can translate Burke's numbers, take a look at Iguchi's. Power & speed. And on the new Sox the mantra is RUN RUN RUN.
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Postby SHOCKandAWE » Mon Jan 31, 2005 8:35 pm

You need to move Roberts and CHone Figgins up into the top 10
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Postby FoolOnTheHill » Mon Jan 31, 2005 9:20 pm

Uribe and Figgins are too low, Durham and Hudson are too high, IMO. And you might be right about Giles over Soriano but I'd call it a hunchg and not justified by past performance.
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Postby shortsavage » Mon Jan 31, 2005 9:47 pm

Ray Duham is fine around where you have him. A lot of people paid little attention to his awesome second half numbers. He also has gone through programs that are designed to keep his hamstrings healthy. I don't know why people are so low on Ray-Ray going into 2005. He could end up sleeping in many drafts, even in Bay Area leagues.
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Postby kimchi_chigae » Mon Jan 31, 2005 10:12 pm

shortsavage wrote:Ray Duham is fine around where you have him. A lot of people paid little attention to his awesome second half numbers. He also has gone through programs that are designed to keep his hamstrings healthy. I don't know why people are so low on Ray-Ray going into 2005. He could end up sleeping in many drafts, even in Bay Area leagues.


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i agree with ya. people are forgeting about ray, even after the movie. he had himself a pretty good second half last year. i guees a lot of people expected too much from him in 03, and he didn't deliver, mostly cuz of injuries. then those who thought he was gonna bounce back big time last year were disappointed cuz he had a poor 1st half. so i guess now there are not a lot of people believing he can go back to his CWS form, especially in the SB department,
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