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Postby Cornbread Maxwell » Tue Jan 25, 2005 10:12 am

I always think people overrrank AJones. His perceived value - due to name recognition mostly - is much higher than his actual value.

Edmonds

Drew
AJones
Gonzo

Kearns
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Postby trevisc » Tue Jan 25, 2005 10:43 am

This order for me:


jim edmonds
andruw jones
jd drew
austin kearns
luis gonzalez
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Postby thomasps3 » Tue Jan 25, 2005 2:12 pm

This is how I have 'em ranked....

Edmonds





Jones
Drew - Lucky to hit 30 HRs in Dodgertown




Kearns - Body of a 75 year old
Luis Gonzo - So Gonzo he has actually earned the nickname - wouldn't rank him top 100 OFs
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Postby TheYanks04 » Tue Jan 25, 2005 2:16 pm

I think we are over doing the effect of Chavez Ravine on Drew a bit aren't we? Green hit Hrs there until he hurt his shoulder and has not been the same since. Drew has the talent and when he has been healthy he has hit everywhere, including Busch Stadium and Turner Field...hardly hitter's paradises. It is only a question of whether he stays healthy IMO.
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Postby daweasle » Tue Jan 25, 2005 2:28 pm

thomasps3 wrote:This is how I have 'em ranked....


Luis Gonzo - So Gonzo he has actually earned the nickname - wouldn't rank him top 100 OFs



How can you possibly say this? I want you to list 50 OF better than him - much less a hundred. You CANNOT do it. NO WAY NO HOW>

I have GONZO listed like #89 of all players -

He still hit 17 HR and 25+ doubles last year with only 350ABs and playing with an injury.
He's averaged 31 HR over the past six seasons(including his poor injury riddled season last year.) And with the exception of last year when he he was injured he's broken 100+ rbi every year since '99

If you discredit someone that much based on one bad season, you're in for a big surprise this season. I guess you have Beltre ranked as #1 third baseman and Sean Casey ranked above richie sexson too right?
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Postby daweasle » Tue Jan 25, 2005 2:30 pm

thomasps3 wrote:This is how I have 'em ranked....


Luis Gonzo - So Gonzo he has actually earned the nickname - wouldn't rank him top 100 OFs



How can you possibly say this? I want you to list 50 OF better than him - much less a hundred. You CANNOT do it. NO WAY NO HOW>

I have GONZO listed like #89 of all players -

He still hit 17 HR and 25+ doubles last year with only 350ABs and playing with an injury.
He's averaged 31 HR over the past six seasons(including his poor injury riddled season last year.) And with the exception of last year when he he was injured he's broken 100+ rbi every year since '99

If you discredit someone that much based on one bad season, you're in for a big surprise this season. I guess you have Beltre ranked as #1 third baseman and Sean Casey ranked above richie sexson too right?
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Postby Heimush » Tue Jan 25, 2005 4:17 pm

Im not sure where you all are coming from on Gonzo. Other than last year, which he was hurt - but gave solid numbers every day until he left - when has he ever had a year worse than Andruw Jones. Drew had one good year. and Kearns has had NO good years!

I wish you were all in my draft I would get Gonzo for nothing.
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Postby davidmarver » Tue Jan 25, 2005 6:43 pm

Heimush wrote:Im not sure where you all are coming from on Gonzo. Other than last year, which he was hurt - but gave solid numbers every day until he left - when has he ever had a year worse than Andruw Jones. Drew had one good year. and Kearns has had NO good years!

I wish you were all in my draft I would get Gonzo for nothing.


Exactly, I'm not understanding where everyone is coming from on this.

I'd take Gonzo, then Jones, then Drew, then Kearns.
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Postby Cornbread Maxwell » Tue Jan 25, 2005 6:54 pm

daweasle wrote:
thomasps3 wrote:This is how I have 'em ranked....


Luis Gonzo - So Gonzo he has actually earned the nickname - wouldn't rank him top 100 OFs



How can you possibly say this? I want you to list 50 OF better than him - much less a hundred. You CANNOT do it. NO WAY NO HOW>

I have GONZO listed like #89 of all players -

He still hit 17 HR and 25+ doubles last year with only 350ABs and playing with an injury.
He's averaged 31 HR over the past six seasons(including his poor injury riddled season last year.) And with the exception of last year when he he was injured he's broken 100+ rbi every year since '99

If you discredit someone that much based on one bad season, you're in for a big surprise this season. I guess you have Beltre ranked as #1 third baseman and Sean Casey ranked above richie sexson too right?


bah - come on. The guy is 37. He just had major reconstructive elbow surgery. To say that he avg. over 30 hrs a season over the last 6 yrs is probably the worst representation of stats Ive seen on this board in some time - seriously. In 2000-2001, during the height of roid season, were the only times he hit over 30 in his career.

You just took this sample:
26, 31, 57, 28, 26, 17
and argued he should hit over 30 again because that was the average. :-°

Good luck with that.
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Postby LBJackal » Tue Jan 25, 2005 7:02 pm

Yeah don't use the mean... use the mode. 26 it is! :-D

But seriously, is he expected to be back to start the year? I know pitchers take a lot longer than hitters to come back form TJ but it would seem like he's still recovering. This is what he had to say about it:

"I know right now I'm not 100 percent throwing, but my hitting is 100 percent"

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